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Robert Richard henry foreman
« on: Wednesday 05 July 17 19:06 BST (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can shed any light on this strange situation. I am helping my niece research her grandfather's family all of which have passed away.
Grandfather's name is Robert Richard Henry Foreman b1925, in a caravan on a farm in Battle. Mother, Ethel Foreman formerly Walters and father, Robert Richard Henry Foreman. We can't find birth or death carts for either. We do know that there may have been gypsy/traveller connections as one of Robert Jnr's sisters was born in a caravan in 1920 on a large gypsy site in Belvedere, Kent and also several brothers were born in the caravan in Bexhill in late 1920s. In fact, Robert Jnr, and three sisters were removed to the workhouse for several months due to insanitary living conditions.
We can't find a marriage cert for Ethel and Robert Snr although in a newspaper article in 1929 Mrs Foreman states that they have been married 20 years. The only marriage we can find is 1909 Robert Foreman and Alice Ellender Care in Dover but Alice went on to remarry as a widow in 1922.
This is the strange part: Robert Jnr's youngest sister born in 1932, Phoebe Foreman has the mother listed on her birth cert as Alice Ellenor Foreman formerly Care. Strangely on one of Robert Jnr's siblings birth certs in 1926 the mother is listed as Ethel Foreman formerly Care. Phoebe is listed on the 1939 Register as living with Ethel and two sisters in Ealing.
Ethel died in London in the early 1950s after being knocked over by a bus and Robert Snr. had died quite a few years before.
Any thoughts would be much appreciated as we are going round in circles.
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Re: Robert Richard henry foreman
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 19:47 BST (UK) »
When did Robert Henry senior die? Could she be claiming he was the father even though he was dead - not unknown?

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Robert Jnr's youngest sister born in 1932, Phoebe Foreman has the mother listed on her birth cert as Alice Ellenor Foreman formerly Care.

That certainly sounds as if the 1909 marriage s correct, especially as she also claims to have been married 20 years in 1929. Perhaps the second marriage didn't work out and she reverted to her name from the first one.
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Re: Robert Richard henry foreman
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 20:48 BST (UK) »
we cant find a death for eother of them.father or son.we cant find ther marriage to ethel either and we think there are two Robert H foremans possibly cousins.one born hythe and one born edinbridge.??
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 21:55 BST (UK) »
the one born hythe is now not him as he went to canada and died 1921 and was married to a lucy brewer.there is one born edinbridge but he married a alice care 1909 but he died and she went on to marry a mr herne in 1922.
in the 1939 cencus alice is down as a mrs hearne and ethel is down as a widow??
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