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Offline heywood

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Re: Why can't i find this man on any census?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 06 July 17 10:21 BST (UK) »
That could be him.
On one site he is transcribed as Holliday. The entry above him is John Holliday but Thomas looks more like Holtby.
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Re: Why can't i find this man on any census?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 06 July 17 10:49 BST (UK) »
The image is definitely Holtby.

Thomas Houltby baptised on 13th November 1825, son of William, labourer, and Sarah.

William Houltby married Mary Dowse on 18 Jan 1825 in Quadring.

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Re: Why can't i find this man on any census?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 06 July 17 21:51 BST (UK) »
1851 census

HO107 2096 641 20

Spalding Union Workhouse

Elizabeth Holtby 20 Spalding
John Holtby  1 month Spalding

Can't see Thomas .

On this one John is 1 month old, but the only John's were born in 1853 and 1855.  Could this possibly be the wrong family?
Sheffield/Yeadon/Guiseley - Brayshaw
Baslow - Wild(e)
London - Overall
Folkestone - Butcher
Little Steeping / Willoughby - Briggs and Ancient
Candlesby - Hewison and Rutter
Badsworth/Upton/South Kirkby - Thorp(e)
East Markham - Wilmot(t)
Middleton Tyas/South Cowton - Martin
Newton Upon Ouse - Goodbarn
Darley Dale - Hatfield
Wentworth/Tankersley - Allott and Trippett
Chedworth - Wilson and Tuffley

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Re: Why can't i find this man on any census?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 06 July 17 21:52 BST (UK) »
The image is definitely Holtby.

Thomas Houltby baptised on 13th November 1825, son of William, labourer, and Sarah.

William Houltby married Mary Dowse on 18 Jan 1825 in Quadring.

David

Does this mean Mary Dowse and Sarah are one in the same person?
Sheffield/Yeadon/Guiseley - Brayshaw
Baslow - Wild(e)
London - Overall
Folkestone - Butcher
Little Steeping / Willoughby - Briggs and Ancient
Candlesby - Hewison and Rutter
Badsworth/Upton/South Kirkby - Thorp(e)
East Markham - Wilmot(t)
Middleton Tyas/South Cowton - Martin
Newton Upon Ouse - Goodbarn
Darley Dale - Hatfield
Wentworth/Tankersley - Allott and Trippett
Chedworth - Wilson and Tuffley

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Re: Why can't i find this man on any census?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 06 July 17 22:49 BST (UK) »
1851 census

HO107 2096 641 20

Spalding Union Workhouse

Elizabeth Holtby 20 Spalding
John Holtby  1 month Spalding

Can't see Thomas .

On this one John is 1 month old, but the only John's were born in 1853 and 1855.  Could this possibly be the wrong family?

John Stokes Bescoby  Holtby baptised Feb 1851 - reply number 3 .
Pullinger Hillier Moxham Butterfield Button Browne Wallis Floyd Blyvers Cordery Cuttress Greve Fagg Belsey Lancaster Markwick

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Re: Why can't i find this man on any census?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 06 July 17 23:22 BST (UK) »
The child was registered as William ...

March quarter 1851 Spalding vol 14 pg 606

William John Stokes Bescoby Holtby
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Re: Why can't i find this man on any census?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 07 July 17 10:15 BST (UK) »
Apologies: Thomas was the son of William and Mary, not Sarah.

The names are sometimes recorded as Houtby but the images are not very clear.

Children:-
Thomas - 1825 as before
John - bapt 25th February 1827 (possible death 1834)
William - bapt 12th April 1829
Mary Ann - bapt 5 or 6th June 1831 buried 16th June
James - bapt 6th May 1832 buried 13th Jan 1833
Frances - 8th December 1833
James bapt - 24th April 1836

William, the father was buried on 13th Jan 1837 and Mary on 10th Jan (both aged 40)

In 1841 James and William Jnr are recorded as Holtby in Spalding Union Workhouse.

1841 Fen Bank, Quadring
Thomas Dowse 60 1781 b Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Dowse 70 1771 b Lincolnshire
Frances Holtby 7  b Lincolnshire

David

P.S. - Frances Holtby of Spalding Union Workhouse buried on 6th March 1854 at Spalding St Mary St Nicolas

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Re: Why can't i find this man on any census?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 07 July 17 16:49 BST (UK) »
William Holtby, shoemaker, born 1829 in Quadring, married Ann Thompson in St Paul, Sculcoates, Yorkshire. Neither gave the name of their father.
Witnesses - Richard Thompson and Ellen Clayton.

1861 Census: 12, North Street, Holy Trinity, Hull
William Holtby Head, 32, b 1829, Shoemaker, b Quadring, Lincolnshire
Ann Holtby Wife, 37, b 1824, Hull, Yorkshire
Frances E Holtby, Daughter, 11 months, b 1861, Hull, Yorkshire

Frances Elizabeth Holtby, d William and Ann, baptised 1st May 1861 at Hull, St Stephen

1881 Census: Town Street, Chapel Allerton, Leeds
William Holtby, Widower, Shoemaker, b 1830 Quadring, Lincolnshire
Frances Elizth Holtby, Daughter, Dress Maker, b 1861 Hull

Frances married Olaf Meier in 1881

1819 Census: Eton Terrace, Sculcoates, Yorkshire
William Holtby, Widower, Shoemaker, b 1829, Quadring, Lincolnshire
Frances E Meier, Daughter, b 1861, Hull, Yorkshire
Olaf Meier, Son In Law, Tailor, b 1856, Norway
Anna F Meier, Granddaughter, 8
George W Meier, Grandson 7
Alice L Meier, Granddaughter, 6
Clara Meier, Granddaughter, 3
Mary E Meier, Granddaughter, 1

David