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Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« Reply #9 on: Friday 07 July 17 12:16 BST (UK) »
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Sep 1882  Bristol 6a/117
WATKINS Susan Elizabeth
COHEN Wolff

Susan's' first marriage

SANGER Susan Elizabeth 25 years  Father John SANGER
WATKINS Thomas
23 Sep 1869   Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

I'm sure you will find all the items about Woolf and his gambling on TROVE ie if it the same man.

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Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« Reply #10 on: Friday 07 July 17 12:29 BST (UK) »
There is a file at PROV - Woolf died intestate and his estate consisted of a passenger ticket to Jaffa and £95 deposited with Thomas Cook in Jerusalem when he died.  His only assets.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54

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Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« Reply #11 on: Friday 07 July 17 12:49 BST (UK) »
Woolf and his wife Elizabeth were both interred at the Yan Yean Cemetery at Whittlesea.  Their grave is unmarked ie no headstone.
http://www.ozgenonline.com/%7ECarols_Headstones/Yan_Yean.htm#C

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Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« Reply #12 on: Friday 07 July 17 13:09 BST (UK) »
This looks like the death of the step daughter Polly ( Polly can be used for either Dorothy or Mary)

Reg. year1943 Reg. no4020 ADAMS Mary Susan father WATKINS George mother Elizabeth (Sanger)
Place of birth ENGLAND, died Moonee Ponds, aged 67.

Death notice and funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206842579

Buried at Fawkner Cemetery:

Plot Number: 142249
GIS Location: FA-COE*K***1179
Area Name: Church Of England

With:
George ADAMS age 74
Service Date 16-5-1952

Mary's service date: 1-5-1943

1st marriage: Reg. year1894 Reg. no5056 Mary Susan Watkins to Wm HOPKINSON

2nd marriage: Reg. year1915 Reg. no1667 Mary Susan Hopkinson to George Adams

Births with father as William, registered as HOPKINSON:

1896 Ellen
1897 Mary Susan
1899 William
1900 Edna
1903 Thomas George
1906 Stephen Arthur
1911 Albert Henry

Birth with no father named:

1915 Kathleen Millicent HOPKINSON

Then: Kathleen Millicent ADAMS   George ADAMS and Mary Susan (Watkins) Reg. year1915 Reg. no3530


The stepson, died Melbourne age 67:
Reg. year1937 Reg. no114 WATKINS Geo Thos father WATKINS  Thos mother Susan (Sanger)   

Obit for George, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56844070

Fawkner cremation: WATKINS George Thomas Fawkner Memorial Park Cremation 4-1-1937   

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Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« Reply #13 on: Friday 07 July 17 15:04 BST (UK) »
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Sep 1882  Bristol 6a/117
WATKINS Susan Elizabeth
COHEN Wolff

Susan's' first marriage

SANGER Susan Elizabeth 25 years  Father John SANGER
WATKINS Thomas
23 Sep 1869   Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

I'm sure you will find all the items about Woolf and his gambling on TROVE ie if it the same man.

Cando

Thomas and Susan on the 1871 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5YX-C5W

Susan as Elizabeth as widow on the 1881 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27X-K5YL

Susan with parents on the 1861 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KW-93Z

On the 1951 she is recorded as Elizabeth: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kd9/

There was a Walter as per death notice:

Death: Reg. year1934 Reg. no12660 WATKINS Walter Thos Jno father WATKINS Thos George mother Elizth Susan (Singer)

Death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203372372

Buried Springvale with his wife: Joshua Jordan Lawn, Row AM, Grave 13
Walter - 27 January 1934
Alice Ellen - 12 January 1937

Marriage: Reg. year1897 Reg. no502 WATKINS Walt Thos Jno to MUNDAY Alice Ellen

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Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 08 July 17 06:33 BST (UK) »
The Argus 27 Dec 1923 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1998930
COHEN.—On the 25th December, at the residence of her daughter (Mrs. McKendrick), Coffee Palace, Whittlesea, Elizabeth. relict of the late Woolf Cohen, and loving mother of George Walter, Mrs. McKendrick, and Mrs. Adams, of Panton Hill, aged 79years.

Vic BDM death: 1923 #17191 Elizabeth Susan COHEN
Father's name: John SANGER
Mother's name: Susan (Golding)
Place of birth
Place of death: WHITTLESEA
Age: 79

In MEMORIAM http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1889891
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4666385
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/56655741
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/57640844

COHEN.-In loving memory of my dear husband, Woolf Cohen, who passed away April 13, 1921, loving father of Rachel (Mrs McKendrick), and stepfather of George, Thomas and Polly (Mrs Adams).

COHEN-In loving memory of my dear father who passed awiiy April 13, 1921. Deeply mourned.
(Inserted by Neil and Rachel McKendrick)

COHEN.-In sad memory of my husband, Woolf Cohen, who died suddenly on April 13th, 1921, at Whittlesea.
Though death divide fond memory clings.
-Inserted by his wife and family, Rachael, Polly, George and Tom.

Vic birth: 1885 #28343 Rachel COHEN; Father-Woolf; Mother-Susan Eliza (Sander); Place of birth-RICH

Thank you! That one article practically gives me the answer of who her parents were! And now I know siblings and her birth date. My friend is ecstatic! I wonder why I hadn't come across that before after doing many searches for both "Cohen" and "McKendrick" in Trove.
Lillis (IRE)
McKenna (IRE)
Minehan (IRE)
Prest (ENG)
Gowland (ENG)
Ashby (ENG)
Brand (SCOT)
McLean (SCOT)
McDonald (SCOT)

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Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 08 July 17 06:37 BST (UK) »
Not all Cohen were Jewish: The best option is to purchase her first marriage cert, as you know:

COHEN Rach to BARLOW Jos Albt Reg. year1904 Reg. no3758

I assume we are looking at WA here. Did Rachel go over with daughter?

Hazel and Sydney L Bedford are buried here, suburb as BASSENDEAN:

http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00095302

http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=GB00013013

There is a death for a Rachel Goode:
Goode Rachel Female 77 Unknown parents Perth 2909 1962
Cremated, suburb listed as BASSENDEAN
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00019495

The age at death fits with the year of birth found by COL.

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Thanks Jamjar! I actually had assumed that Rachel would have stayed in Victoria but one thing I've learnt is to never assume anything! I hadn't even thought of that. We knew about Hazel and Sydney in WA as my friend is their granddaughter, but as my friend's mum barely knew anything of Hazel's parentage except for two names, it was assumed that they had stayed (and died) in Victoria.
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Minehan (IRE)
Prest (ENG)
Gowland (ENG)
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Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 08 July 17 06:40 BST (UK) »
Death: 1921 #7942 Woolf COHEN
Father's name: Abraham COHEN
Mother's name: Unknown (Unknown)
Place of birth
Place of death: WHITTLESEA
Age: 74

A name of a parent for Woolf! Thank you! The name actually interests me, is Woolf a name or is it a nickname? And what are the origins? It's definitely not Australian.
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Re: COHEN Family- Victoria
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 08 July 17 06:42 BST (UK) »
1963 Electoral Roll Whittlesea, Victoria

GOODE Arthur Stanley, Macmeiken St, retired
GOODE Rachel, MackMeiken st, HD

Ros

adding : This site has marriages in W.A. up to 1965 http://www.wamarriage.info/ and there is not a marriage for them there.

Possible death in Victoria for husband (first names reversed )  ???
1973 death GOODE Stanley Arthur, ;parents unknown, age 82 at Hawthorn reg 14597

Thanks Ros, it may be them in Whittlesea! What does HD mean? Is it 'home duties'? And it may be Stanley in both circumstances, I've had many instances (mainly English ancestors) who reverse their names around.
Lillis (IRE)
McKenna (IRE)
Minehan (IRE)
Prest (ENG)
Gowland (ENG)
Ashby (ENG)
Brand (SCOT)
McLean (SCOT)
McDonald (SCOT)