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Mary Ann Hopple born Smilelawer???
« on: Friday 07 July 17 15:13 BST (UK) »
Local knowledge might help! Mary Ann Turner was baptised at Felton in 1836, d/o Thomas Turner and Susan. She married Thomas Hepple in South Shields in 1867. Variously gives Holy Stone, Nbd, Rothbury, Nbd etc as place of birth in census returns, but Ancestry's transcription for 1891 RG 12/ 4169/ 136/ 20 gives Smilawer, Nbd and FindMyPast gives Swirland. Both rubbish! I know "---laws" is quite common, but you might know better.
NB her name is "Hopple" in FindMyPast for 1891 by which time she was a widow.
Bill, Shropshire
Cox, Nottingham, Maidenhead, West London
Donne, Carmarthen London & Kent
Holloway Medway, Kent
Hepple, Northumberland
Hurrian, North Kent, SE London
Lutman, Sussex
Newcomb, Corby, Lincs, Southwark, Clerkenwell
Orange Normandy East London
Proudlock, Northumberland
Shipley, Northumberland
Staples, City of London, Holborn
Sweeting, Suffolk, London, Surrey
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Re: Mary Ann Hopple born Smilelawer???
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 July 17 16:13 BST (UK) »
Swarland Not far from Rothbury approx 6 miles
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Mary Ann Hopple born Smilelawer???
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 July 17 16:28 BST (UK) »
Agree.  (The Holy Stone in 1851 is the mother, Mary Ann is Newton on the Moor (hard against Swarland)

Swarland was also where father Thomas says he was born and he was baptised in Felton also (less than three miles between them). 

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Re: Mary Ann Hopple born Smilelawer???
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 July 17 17:01 BST (UK) »
is this her Dad
Thomas Turner
abode Bywel
birth 28th June 1812
baptised 16th August 1812
5th son of John Turner labourer and his wife Ann Pickering
father native of Acklington in the Parish of Warkworth
mother native of Hebburn
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Mary Ann Hopple born Smilelawer???
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 July 17 17:23 BST (UK) »
Yes to all of you, but what it actually says in the census is surely not Swarland? But Newton in the Moor is pretty precise, too.
So they didn't have to go far to find each other. Thank you.
Can anyone find a convincing place of origin for her mother, Susan Young? I don't believe she was the one baptised in Newcastle in 1817; no Edwards or Graces in her childrens' names.
Bill, Shropshire
Cox, Nottingham, Maidenhead, West London
Donne, Carmarthen London & Kent
Holloway Medway, Kent
Hepple, Northumberland
Hurrian, North Kent, SE London
Lutman, Sussex
Newcomb, Corby, Lincs, Southwark, Clerkenwell
Orange Normandy East London
Proudlock, Northumberland
Shipley, Northumberland
Staples, City of London, Holborn
Sweeting, Suffolk, London, Surrey
Wilson, Marylebone, Fulham, London

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Re: Mary Ann Hopple born Smilelawer???
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 July 17 17:54 BST (UK) »
where does Susan say she was born and when
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Mary Ann Hopple born Smilelawer???
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 July 17 18:15 BST (UK) »
I looked at the census image and it does look like there is an 'i' in there, though the writing is dire

Do you have the baptism record from Felton? What was the abode on there?

I looked on Family Search and nothing coming up in Felton for a baptism 1836 for a child of that name and those parents -

 though there IS a record for a Mary Ann Turner, baptised 1836 and parents Thomas and Susan in Lucker . The image on the BTs said this family lived at Newham Buildings and the father was a husbandman.

There was a farm called Smiley Law on the 1860 farms list which listed as being in Newham.

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Re: Mary Ann Hopple born Smilelawer???
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 July 17 18:43 BST (UK) »
Looking at the 1851 census,
Dads born Swarland and is a joiner
Mums born Holy Stone
Mary born Newham
brothers and sisters born Warkworth
Brother George is born Bewell which I take to be Bywell
and a nephew William Tait born Warkworth
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Mary Ann Hopple born Smilelawer???
« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 July 17 19:04 BST (UK) »
Looking at the 1851 census,
Dads born Swarland and is a joiner
Mums born Holy Stone
Mary born Newham
brothers and sisters born Warkworth
Brother George is born Bewell which I take to be Bywell
and a nephew William Tait born Warkworth

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kd5/ That is the Lucker BTs baptism record, the abode matches but not the father's occupation. I suppose its possible that the BT's have an error so would suggest checking the original register entry to see what that says.

Unless you have a copy of the entry which says she was baptised in Felton, that is the nearest I can find.

Boo