INCE family

[Ande]

Hmm, John seems quite intriguing. You could well be right about those naming patterns, Suz.

Still, I wish I could be sure William Collins Ince was really John's dad. I guess I'd probably need to order the certificate for that.

What happened to William is the question that interests me the most, but seems to be the hardest to find!

(Trish, I'm in Adelaide.)

[trish1120]

I think you can be pretty sure John C Ince is Williams C Inces Son, Birth Reg GRO regimental birth indexes, with Mother Jemima in 1851 Census.

Bit of a devil with a much younger Wife in 1911

[suzard]

Maybe william was killed in battle???
It looks pretty certain he is the father of John Collins Ince

John's marriage should give name of his father but where did they marry???

Just for future reference
Amelia Collins Ince (daughter of John Collins Ince - and so neice of Amelia)was back in England in 1901

1901
London County Asylum Banstead Surrey
Amelia Collins Ince 27 U Attendant b.India
RG13 578 1356

marriage after Banns
30 Oct 1904 Cheam Surrey
Arthur Ernest Smith B 30 Male Nurse High St Cheam father Frederick Smith (dec) occ Butcher
Amelia Collins Ince S 30 Nurse banstead father John Collins Ince occ Foreman
witnesses John Collins Ince & Kate Collins Ince
all signed

Suz

[trish1120]

Jemima Blown is in Deal in 1841;
Jemima Blown   55
George Blown   20
Thomas Blown   15
Elizabeth Blown   15

For future ref, George was George Munday Blown 1820 and Thomas was James Thomas Bailey Blown 1822


Looks like they were Widowed when they married;
Thos Blown of Deal pilot wid & Jemima Robinson of the s wid. 31 Jul 1813.

Burial;
SARAH Blown age 28 (1784) 11 May 1812 Deal
(possible 1st Wife for Thomas)

Enough for now will let you mull it all over

[Ande]

Oh I was confused for a second there. Thought you meant the original Amelia Collins Ince married Arthur Smith, not the niece! I should read things properly.

Funny though, the Amelia that is William's daughter, the "original" Amelia, she married John Waters. And John Waters worked at Banstead Asylum (as a bailiff), which is where it seems Arthur Smith and niece Amelia Ince probably met.

[Ande]

Thanks for all the help! Yes, I need to do some mulling, haha!

If anyone else has clues as to find out more about William, please let me know. Thanks!

[suzard]

Haven't more about William but it seems his son John's daughter Catherine M C Ince never married and died in Essex
probate
Catherine mary Collins Ince of 195 Cambridge Rd 7 Kings Ilford Essex Spinster died 12 Dec 1942 at 1 Oldchurch Rd Romford Essex probate Llandudno 29 jan to Ellen Kate Hull( wife of Charles hull)
Effects £111 9s 10d

Suz

[suzard]

Oh I was confused for a second there. Thought you meant the original Amelia Collins Ince married Arthur Smith, not the niece! I should read things properly.

Funny though, the Amelia that is William's daughter, the "original" Amelia, she married John Waters. And John Waters worked at Banstead Asylum (as a bailiff), which is where it seems Arthur Smith and niece Amelia Ince probably met.

John Waters and wife Amelia are at London Asylum Banstead Surrey at the same time as neice Amelia Collins Ince in 1901
I just get the feeling the family stayed in touch even though military careers took them to many countries

John Collins Ince's son was in malta in 1919
Grand Lodge of Freemasons
William John Collins Ince
age 42
Initiated 5 Feb 1919
Profession Q M Sergeant
Lodge Union of Malta
Lodge 407
Folio 289

Suz

[suzard]

Just another snippet before I go

Arthur Ernest Smith was at the Asylum in 1901 at the same time as John Waters & wife Amelia

Arthur Ernest Smith and wife Amelia (neice of John Waters & Amelia) had a son

Baptisms
Sutton Surrey
Private baptism
Arthur John Collins Smith
born 9 April 1905
baptism 13 April 1905
parents Arthur Ernest & Amelia Collins Smith
6 West st Sutton
father's occ Asylum attendant

it may be worth putting a post on the military section for more details about william - post a link back to this page and the death reg could possibly be between birth of John Collins Ince on Gibraltar and remarriage of jemima

It may also be worth checking Jemima's new husband -as he was a military man he may have served with William??

Suz