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Young, Joseph Scotland
« on: Sunday 09 July 17 04:13 BST (UK) »
My great grandad David Young came to New Zealand on the ship 'Storm Cloud' 1861 with his parents Joseph & Jane Young. I have found a passenger list but no Christian names or ages so a bit vague. I am hopeful that someone can help me find info about Joseph & Jane. Where did they live, get married & where, parents names & names of other siblings. David was 6 yrs when they arrived in NZ. And they sailed from Glasgow. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Young, Joseph Scotland
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 July 17 12:03 BST (UK) »
My great grandad David Young came to New Zealand on the ship 'Storm Cloud' 1861 with his parents Joseph & Jane Young. I have found a passenger list but no Christian names or ages so a bit vague. I am hopeful that someone can help me find info about Joseph & Jane. Where did they live, get married & where, parents names & names of other siblings. David was 6 yrs when they arrived in NZ. And they sailed from Glasgow. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Were any of David's siblings with them and if so what were their names and ages? What was the date of departure? If it was after the date of the census (7 April 1861) you should be able to find them in the census.

Looking at the IGI on FS, there are seven families with husband Joseph Young and wife Jane having family in Scotland between 1850 and 1870. However four of these can immediately be ruled out because one or more children were born after 1862, leaving three couples to consider.

Joseph Young and Jane Wishart had
Joseph, born 23 March 1856
Mary and Margaret (twins), born 7 January 1858.
Allison, born 17 March 1860
all in Bathgate, West Lothian. This family appears to be in Bathgate in the 1861 census index: Joseph, 37; Jane, 37; Alexander, 19; Janet, 18; Jane, 14; David, 11; Andrew, 9; Catherine, 7; Allison, 1.
Joseph Young, aged 1, died in Bathgate in 1858. Margaret Young, aged 0, died in Bathgate in 1858. Another Margaret Young, no age given in index, died there in 1860. I wonder if this could be her twin Mary, with an error in the record? Another Joseph Young, no age in index, died in Bathgate in 1860. The age of Jane's son David seems to rule this out as being your Young family, but how sure are you of his age on arrival in New Zealand? You can check by viewing the original documents on the SP web site.

Joseph Young and Jane Cameron had
John, born 2 January 1856
Alexander, born 14 January 1858
both in Edinburgh

Joseph Young and Jane Yule had
John Yule, born 5 July 1850
in Liff Benvie and Invergowrie, Angus

Of course it is quite possible that your Joseph and Jane are not in the records at all.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Young, Joseph Scotland
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 July 17 12:10 BST (UK) »
HI there there is a possibility this could be the family of David Young although the birth year is out
1861 Census address Drumcross Road Bathgate Scotland
Joseph Young age 37 born about 1824 Bathgate Scotland
Jane Young age 37 ( Bathgate Scotland
Janet 18,Jane 14 ,David 11 ,Andrew 9, Catherine 7,Mary 3, Allison 1
All born Bathgate Scotland
Uk Death records at sea
Allison Young b 1860
Died 13 July 1861
 Ship Storm Cloud

See records for this family in N Z

Did David marry 1879 to a Mary Jane Kerr ?

Marriage for Joseph Young
29 March 1843 Bathgate
Spouse Jean/Jane Wishart

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Re: Young, Joseph Scotland
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 July 17 12:32 BST (UK) »
Looks like the same family on the 1851 census
Address High Street Bathgate
Joseph Young age 27 occupation hand loom weaver
Jane Young age 27
Janet 8,Jane 4,David 1

Would say this is Joseph Young on the 1841 census
Address North Street Bathgate West Lothian
David Young age 49 born about 1792 West Lothian occupation (H L W )
Mary Young age 49 born West Lothian
Joseph Young age 18 occupation ( H L W)
Mary Nimmo age 5

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Re: Young, Joseph Scotland
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 July 17 12:34 BST (UK) »
Good finds, Rosie. I think you've cracked it.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Young, Joseph Scotland
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 July 17 12:40 BST (UK) »
Good finds, Rosie. I think you've cracked it.

Yes I think so as can see marriage and death records for this family in New Zealand

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Re: Young, Joseph Scotland
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 July 17 12:46 BST (UK) »
Death for Joseph Young 25 August 1891 aged 68 years
Jane Young 7 August 1910 age 86 years
Portabello Cemetery
Otago New Zealand

Death for his son Andrew Young 1 July 1925
Aged 72 Bathgate  Scotland
Burial Hillsborough Auckland

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Re: Young, Joseph Scotland
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 July 17 13:29 BST (UK) »
1841 census for Jane Wishart
Address North Street Bathgate West Lothian
Andrew Wishart age 48 occupation H L W
Janet Wishart age 46
Barbara 24,Jane 17, Catherine 11,Margaret 9 ,Mary 7,Thomas 4

A tree on Anc;;;;y has a tree on Jane Wishart with a picture of her and Joseph Young

Information on the deaths for her parents Andrew Wishart 1857 Bathgate
Janet Wishart other surname Clark 1866
You can view these records for a small fee 7.00 for 30 credits which will take you further back if parents names are recorded
www.scotlandspeople.gov

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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith