Author Topic: Fannie SCHWARTZ maiden name ? From Russia to USA via .Scotland and ??I  (Read 1396 times)

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 hi I'm trying to find maiden name for Fannie Scwartz
Where's best place to look
She was born in Russia around 1870

According to 1920 census she  was born Russia .can't read or write  . immigration year given as 1892
Stated that parents born Russia
 
Married to Aaron Swartz        he was b 1865  Roumania.   And Died 28 Nov 1924

Their children all born New York or Pennsylvania
  Approx birth years from censuses Esther 1892 Gerson/ Saul 1894  Sadie 1895 Solomon 1894 Abraham 1904

Rusians to America  record  has  Fany Scwartz age 20    aug 1891 on SS Anchoria
 from Glasgow

She is with a lot of other young Russian born people but not her husband
Or could this be a different Lady?

I can't find her death

And don't know where the couple met or married

If Esther is her birth daughter they would have had to marry before 1892

Aarons parents were called Joseph scwartz and Esther halpert

Fresh pair of eyes would be useful

Moderator edit: surname corrected in subject line at OP's request.
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Re: Fannie Scwartz maiden name ? From Russia to USA via .Scotland and ??I
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 July 17 15:28 BST (UK) »
Just because fanny sailed from Glasgow doesn't mean she'd lived in Scotland the years preceding
But i.m not finding an English marriage for this couple

And they don't seem to have married in England

Back to drawing board .

A tree on ancestry has Aarons born Rumania 1870 but sibling Morris as being born Russia 1896
Then Nellie born Russia 1901
And Nita born USA 1909

But is that accurate ?
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Re: Fannie Scwartz maiden name ? From Russia to USA via .Scotland and ??I
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 July 17 17:38 BST (UK) »
Where is Fannie in 1920? where were the children born? have you found the family in other census records?

Sometimes it can be difficult to find people on those early manifests. Fannie might have arrived in America before she married- in which case she will be listed under her maiden not married name. 

Added- this looks like the family living in Brooklyn in 1905 N.Y. State census- spelt Schwartz-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKS2-X6R

Possibly family living in Manhattan in 1910-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M57W-QBF
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Re: Fannie Scwartz maiden name ? From Russia to USA via .Scotland and ??I
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 July 17 23:31 BST (UK) »
Aga so sorry I didn't where the family were in 1920 found census and 1905 Brooklyn one on family search

If she immigrated in 1892 as per 1920 census she wouldn't have had long to get married before Esher's birth 1892 if age 13 in 1905
Fany.scwarz age 20 on SS Anchors 24 aug 1891 seems to fit well
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Re: Fannie Scwartz maiden name ? From Russia to USA via .Scotland and ??I
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 July 17 00:02 BST (UK) »
You said in original post that you found Fannie in 1920 census- so where was she living in 1920?

It's not uncommon for there to be errors in census details such as wrong ages, years of immigration, etc.

It's possible that Aaron was married previously and Esther might be Fannie's stepdaughter or Fannie's age is incorrect. Added-
If you look at the scanned image of 1910 census it says it was a 2nd marriage for both Aaron & Fannie. Also says Fannie came to US 1890.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RVS-NDH?i=19&cc=1727033
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Re: Fannie Scwartz maiden name ? From Russia to USA via .Scotland and ??I
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 July 17 00:22 BST (UK) »
Wow I wouldn't have known that that squiggle was an m plus s or that it meant second married
# thanks for pointing out that I've got spelling wrong ..
I.ll make sure it's Schwartz in future posts and ask modifier to change title

It says they'd been married for 8 years
 9 children 8 still living could refer to Aaron but it's in the column for Fannie

That's heavy going
8  living children on the census  .

My great grandfather had 17 children  on 1910 census it had 6 with 3 for his   second wife
They had 5 children living with them which made confusing reading
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Re: Fannie Scwartz maiden name ? From Russia to USA via .Scotland and ??I
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 July 17 08:02 BST (UK) »
aga

I made notes from what I saw in 1920 but didn't note place of census
... sorry   
have been busy  will try and find it again

Thanks for these links somehow I couldn't see originals when I searched on my computer ...something not compatible but I could from my iPad or from your link .

Annie may have been Fried......from an Ancestry tree  but they have question mark next to name

 whether that was maiden or 1 st marriage I don't know
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Re: Fannie Scwartz maiden name ? From Russia to USA via .Scotland and ??I
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 July 17 16:47 BST (UK) »
Looking at the Aaron who died in 1924, his wife appears to be Elizabeth.  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WLZ-29Y  The cemetery where Aaron was buried has an internment search here - http://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/search.asp  Aaron & Elizabeth were buried in nearby plots, and there was an Israel Schwartz who died 1918 in between them.

I guess Fannie could have Anglicized herself as Elizabeth, or this could be a different couple.

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Re: Fannie Scwartz maiden name ? From Russia to USA via .Scotland and ??I
« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 July 17 16:56 BST (UK) »
I think this is another Aaron  + wife

* It could be same one the children's names Saul and Esther link * modified


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