James 'Paraffin' Young - 1841 and 1851 census

[Forfarian]

James Young, born 1811 in Glasgow and died 1883 at Inverkip, married Mary Young (1814/5-1868) in 1838. According to the 1861/1871/1881 censuses (in Scotland) they had seven children
James, born 1840/1, England
Mary Ann, born 1844/5, Manchester
Annett Young, born 1846/7, Glasgow
John Young, born 1848/9, Manchester
Eliza Young, born 1850/1, Manchester
Agnes Young, born 1852/3, Manchester
Graham Young, born 1855/6, England (1861) or New Monkland (1871)

In 1841 James Young was working in Newton-le-Willows, and in 1851 he was in Manchester, but I cannot find him or his family in 1841 or 1851. I suspect possible transcription and indexing errors. Can anyone find them via another index or indexes?

I also cannot find the birth references for any of them, either in England or in Scotland.

[CaroleW]

Hi

Here is the 1851 reference - mish mash of surnames but somebody has notified the right names

HO107 Piece 2219 Folio 371 Page 25 - search on Annett Young b 1847 Scotland  (transcribed as Low)

[Forfarian]

Thanks, Carole. That still doesn't work (I had tried that same search before), even leaving out the surname altogether, and the site I am looking at doesn't allow searching by reference number. Can you tell me the street address?

[CaroleW]

Hi

It's one of the water damaged images - address was Prospect Place Gorton.  If you still have problems locating it - pm me your email address

[heywood]

Here is the family in 1841 /524 /6 /4

Newton, Lancashire

James Young 25 yrs Chemist b Scotland
Mary Young 25 yrs b Scotland
Annie Young 20 yrs b Scotland
Jane Young 2 yrs b in county
James Young 8 months b in county

1851 shows James born Winwickt

Added the address is Wargrave Moss - poor handwriting but eventually figured it out.

[heywood]

This is a likely birth for James

James Young December quarter 1840 Warrington vol 20 pg 74 mmn Young

Added

Elizabeth Young December quarter 1850 Chorlton vol 20 pg 135 mmn Young

[CaroleW]

1851 image forwarded by email plus other details

[Forfarian]

Thank you, Heywood. That's great!

I had seen a similar transcription to the 1841 you have found, but the ages are sufficiently different (James Sr 35, Mary 28, Annie 10, James 8 years) for me to have discounted it. A classic case of why it is always essential to look at the original. I shall now attempt to do just that.

Edit: I have now seen the original, which is not the best of images. I can see how someone might have read Anne's age as 10, and not realised that James jr was 8 months old, not 8 years, but both James sr's and Mary's ages are plain enough.

Assuming Jane is a daughter, she must have died young.

[heywood]

There is a possible death for Jane Young, Chorlton, March quarter, 1845 aged 6 yrs

Also a birth for George Young 1845 mmn Young June quarter 1845  with a death December quarter 1846.