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Re: Harcourt Leonard Hartnett
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 03:24 BST (UK) »
Too quick for me Deb...

Second marriage
7218/1913
HARTNETT  William E
VON BENKE  Elizabeth
District Newcastle

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Re: Harcourt Leonard Hartnett
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 03:30 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth first marriage

2732/1899
FITZHENRY Elizabeth
VON BENKE Gyula    
District Sydney 

Surrname could be BENKE

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Re: Harcourt Leonard Hartnett
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 03:35 BST (UK) »
Just adding from the other thread because it is important to establish that there was some sort of acknowledgement of the relationship, the death notice of Harcourt's son in 1941....

Mr. and Mrs. W. E. HARTNETT of Redfern and Mr. R. GRAHAM of Willoughby wish to sincerely THANK all relatives and friends for their kindness in the recent loss of their grandson Leonard Hartnett (Lennie). Will all please accept this as a personal expression of gratitude.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17721792

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Re: Harcourt Leonard Hartnett
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 03:48 BST (UK) »
Hi,

The Sydney Morning Herald, 31st December 1924, page 8.
DEATHS

HARTNETT- December 30, 1924, Gladys May, beloved wife of Harcourt. L. (Hal) Hartnett, of 6- marian street, Leichhardt.

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Re: Harcourt Leonard Hartnett
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 04:02 BST (UK) »
Sands Sydney Alpha Directory 1920
Capt. W.E. HARTNETT, 32 Macquarie St, Leichhardt

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory

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Re: Harcourt Leonard Hartnett
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 04:12 BST (UK) »
NSW BDM indexes and some known flaws

1.  Until the 1930s the staff actually did not have an index by surnames ... the index was prepared by volunteers, in co-operation with the then newly formed (NSW) SAG (Society of Australian Genealogists).  The records were all handwritten, the pages were thumbmarked, torn etc and the ink used over the decades had bled through.    Some entries were unable to be deciphered adequately due to the illegible scribble.

2. When NSW BDM commenced to computerise there were further 'issues' ... this was back in the EDP era, so cards could jam, mangle and/or fall through ... never to be recovered ... so some entries were not included in the indexes.

3. And of course, some regional BDM deputy registrars 'forgot' to send in their quarterly returns, or some H.Q. clerks 'forgot' to process the quarterly returns .... 

4. And some 'official mail' did not make it to H.Q.  or ended up mixed up with Land Returns in the Registrar General's Office...

And NSW BDM has not ever been sufficiently funded to allow for a concerted effort to check those older manual systems ... and ummm... there's not too many people around who have retained their competency of the old system anyway even if such a project could be underway soon.

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Re: Harcourt Leonard Hartnett
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 04:34 BST (UK) »
Death of Elizabeth's first husband - I wonder if either certificates mention first marriage and issue, if any, were noted.
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Second marriage in Victoria
VON BENKE Gyula Bampton
SEARLL Violet Maie
1914  Reg#4425


Death in Victoria
VON BENKE Gyula
Father Gyula     Mother Caroline Teresa BAMPTON
Born Calcutta, India
At Camberwell East  1952  79 years  Reg#9916

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Re: Harcourt Leonard Hartnett
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 04:50 BST (UK) »
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Perhaps Elizabeth's divorce records from 1912 might clarify whether or not she had any dependants

No mention of children in this item.  Usually any children of the marriage are mentioned.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article228839662

The Sun   4 Oct 1912
Bade her good-bye.
Elizabeth von Benke (formerly Fitzhenry) applied to Mr, Justice Gordon in the Divorce Court today, for a dissolution of her marriage with Gyula von Benke, on the ground of desertion. The petitioner, who was represented by Mr. R., W. Fraser, said she married the respondent in June, 1899, at Surry Hills. They lived together till December, 1908, when he left her saying he was going to Melbourne and then to Adelaide with Anderson's Theatrical Company. He was working as a property man.  Her husband bade her good-bye, and promised to write to her but he failed to do so, and she hadn't seen him since. Her husband was of Hungarian descent.
His Honor granted a decree, nisi, returnable in six months.

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Re: Harcourt Leonard Hartnett
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 04:53 BST (UK) »
As Sandi enquired about on the NZ board:

Muss suggested an online family tree which had the parents of Violet as Robert and Amy.

38146/1907 Violet L Graham parents ROBERT and AMY F NEWTOWN

Marriage: 2635/1906 Robert GRAHAM to Amy F THOMPSON WATERLOO

Death of Amy, as suggested by online tree:
4017/1944 Amy Florence Graham 59 YRS NEWTON

Funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17874545

Rookwood: AMY GRAHAM 59 8-1-1944    Area:Zone D Section:15 Grave: 1893. No headstone inscription.

Gladys is at Rookwood Catholic and no headstone inscription:

Section Grave Mortuary 2 Area: 10 Grave : 1428 1-1-1925 age 19.

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Added: This is only a wild guess, based on the fact that Robert had a daughter named Clarice Mary Ann and a son Archibald Robert:

 GRAHAM ROBERT
11322/1956 Robert GRAHAM parents ARCHIBALD and MARY JANE NORTH SYDNEY

GRAHAM Robert Death notice 20-4-1956 Death 76 at Royal North Shore Hospital Sydney Morning Herald 23-4-1956   
Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams