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Re: shepperd/jarvis
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 13 July 17 15:24 BST (UK) »
It's a pity there seems to be no sign of them in 1841, at least we should know then if she was born in county or not. The family is in Shoreditch in 1832 (Louisa's baptism) and in 1850 for Susanna's burial, so it looks like they should be there in 1841.
When did the son James marry and what address was stated?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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« Reply #19 on: Thursday 13 July 17 15:41 BST (UK) »
Found marriage - James Shepperd married Mary Ann Bates (both minors) on 22 Nov 1845 at St John Hoxton, his abode was Wellington Street - chances are that was the family home.

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One witness was John William Keene who later married Mary Ann after she was widowed.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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« Reply #20 on: Thursday 13 July 17 16:10 BST (UK) »
1841 at crooked billet yard, Joseph Sheppard 50 woodcutter, Sarah Sheppard 45, Susan 16, James 15 all born in county. Is this them and John has been recorded as Joseph and Susanna as Sarah? or a big coincidence and another Sheppard family with head of household a wood cutter and children called Susan and James?

Piece: 709 Book: 2 Folio: 6 Page Number: 4
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: shepperd/jarvis
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 13 July 17 17:46 BST (UK) »
1841 at crooked billet yard, Joseph Sheppard 50 woodcutter, Sarah Sheppard 45, Susan 16, James 15 all born in county. Is this them and John has been recorded as Joseph and Susanna as Sarah? or a big coincidence and another Sheppard family with head of household a wood cutter and children called Susan and James?

Piece: 709 Book: 2 Folio: 6 Page Number: 4

that does my head in!.... so who is this james's dad? john or joseph?

interesting too... im not sure this james shepard is the one im looking for.

im looking for the father of henry shepard 1846 born to either hannah or maria mower in a workhouse. i believe henrys father was james, cant find the info - im snowed under, lol.. but if it was that james then he was an adulterer.
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton


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Re: shepperd/jarvis
« Reply #22 on: Friday 14 July 17 11:57 BST (UK) »
Do you have Henry Shepard's birth certificate?
I can't find a birth registration with mother's mn Mower
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Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
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Re: shepperd/jarvis
« Reply #23 on: Friday 14 July 17 12:12 BST (UK) »
Is this the Henry Shepherd who you think may be James Howe in later life  :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=774093.0
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Re: shepperd/jarvis
« Reply #24 on: Friday 14 July 17 12:50 BST (UK) »
Is this the Henry Shepherd who you think may be James Howe in later life  :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=774093.0

yes... member lemur41 has been in touch on pm, she uncovered the truth!

james howe married eliza knight in derby in 1872. i could find no trace of james howe before this date but in the 1871 census it was noticed that living next door to eliza knight was henry shepard. lemur41 did some digging and couldnt find any further trace of henry shepard.

she looked under births 1846 london, where the 71 census says h shepard came from and found he was a 'nurse child' on the 51 census.

his 'parents' were william and hannah mower, they were in the workhouse along with their kids. it is supposed that one of the mowers daughters, either hannah 1824 or maria 1826 had the illegitimate henry and their parents took him on.

in the workhouse at the same time, in 1841, was a james shepard, so its likely he knew the mower girls.

hannah mowers maiden name was ........ howe .....

henry shepard lived a rougish life by the look of it, joining the navy, living in canada, marrying, deserting them, returning to london and fathering another child marrying again (?) before deserting them moving to derby, meeting eliza knight, and changing his name to avoid detection!

he chose his real fathers name james, and his (grandmothers) name howe. he said his fathers william on the marriage cert to eliza.

i have not located a birth certificate for henry shepard, but he died young in 1893 (47) from 'dropsy' i have his death cert (well my mum does).

think theres a book and film in this!  ;D
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: shepperd/jarvis
« Reply #25 on: Friday 14 July 17 12:54 BST (UK) »
That information should not have been sent by PM but posted on the main topic, there could still be people popping back to it to have another try at solving it as I have done and obviously wasted time doing so.
PM's should only be used for personal information.  Perhaps it would be a good idea if you also posted it on the other thread to which it relates  ;)
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Re: shepperd/jarvis
« Reply #26 on: Friday 14 July 17 15:25 BST (UK) »
There seem to be a lot of assumptions here. If Henry had been William and Hannah's grandson, why not just say grandson on the census, rather than nurse child. They have granddaughter Amelia in the household, she is likely to be illegitimate. She is probably the Emily Mower reg Q1 1849 Marylebone district, mmn blank.
Illegitimate children are usually registered / known by their mother's maiden surname so why is Henry a Shepherd not a Mower.
I can't see the Mower family in 1841 in the workhouse, I see a family in Hereford Street, William is a coachman.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott