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Scotland from Ireland
« on: Friday 14 July 17 13:02 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

I started a while ago researching the wife family and her Grandmother was Sarah Mulholland born in Glasgow in 1890.

According to the 1891 census Sarah's parents were Patrick Mulholland and Sarah formerly Henderson. On the census it lists Patrick Mulholland as from Ireland (and Bridget).  Also according to A marriage certificate I have Patrick's Father was John from Ireland a farmer. And Bridget's Henderson's father was Archibald a Tailor (Master).

Questions:
Is there any documents I can research to find when Patrick Mulholland and Bridget Henderson came from Ireland?
Can their father's be traced as all it says is "Ireland" on the certificates?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Scotland from Ireland
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 July 17 13:53 BST (UK) »
Is there any documents I can research to find when Patrick Mulholland and Bridget Henderson came from Ireland?
If you mean are there any passenger lists, the answer is no. Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, and no-one kept records of internal movements of people. The only way you can trace roughly when they came to Scotland is if you find them in a census with older children born in Ireland and younger ones in Scotland, or if they ever applied for poor relief, in which case the poor relief records will almost certainly say when they arrived.

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Can their fathers be traced as all it says is "Ireland" on the certificates?
That depends.

I see that Patrick Mulholland and Bridget Henderson were married in Glasgow in 1876. If the marriage certificate you have doesn't say who their mothers were as well as their fathers, you have not got an authentic certificate and you have not got all the available information. Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, buy a few credits and view the original certificate. If/once you have got a proper certificate, tell us everything that it says.

If Patrick's and/or Sarah's parents also moved to Scotland, and if they died in Scotland, you should be able to find their death certificates, and if you can find them, they should tell you the names of all their parents including their mothers' maiden surnames. So you need to look in the census before 1876 to see if Patrick and/or Sarah were in Scotland and living with their parents before they were married.

Finding records in Ireland is likely to be difficult. To marry in Scotland in 1876, Bridget must have been born before 1854, and Patrick before 1852. You presumably know how old they were because you say you have the census. Tell us everything the censuses say.

The marriage certificate will also tell you whether they were Roman Catholic or Protestant. This can make quite a difference if you are looking for records in Ireland. Protestant marriages were (supposed to be) registered from 1845-ish, but Roman Catholic ones were not registered by the civil authorities until 1864-ish. You can view indexes to, and some originals of, many Irish births, marriages and deaths at https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Once you have told us everything you already know (and I do mean everything - you would be surprised how often an apparently minor detail makes all the difference), it would probably be worth moving this thread to the Ireland forum.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Scotland from Ireland
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 July 17 13:57 BST (UK) »
Some questions to help establish a more exact location than 'Ireland' -
Sarah's birth certificate should list date and place of parents' marriage- if they married in Ireland it will help us look for local records (the marriage certificate may even be online- free)
Have you found the parents in 1911 Scottish census? that's the one most often listing a townland or parish in Ireland (available on Scotland's People site- pay per view)
Do you also have the family in 1901 Scottish census?
Have you checked for Archibald Henderson (tailor) in Scottish census records? I can't see him in 1901 or 1911 Irish census
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Re: Scotland from Ireland
« Reply #3 on: Friday 14 July 17 14:14 BST (UK) »
Hi all and thanks for the help thus far.

I'm at work so I was limited to what info I have with me.

I'll sit down tonight and list everything down.  :)
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Re: Scotland from Ireland
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 July 17 21:21 BST (UK) »
THese are the details of the marriage of Patrick Mulholland and Bridge Henderson.
Married:
20/06/1876 at St Mungos Chapel after Banns.

Patrick Mulholland Chemical Labourer, Bachelor. Aged 25.
Bridget Henderson Seamstress, Spinster. Aged 25.

Both living at 42 Middleton Place Glasgow.

Patrick's Father: John Mulholland farmer and Mary Mulholland. M.S. McCormick.

Bridget's Father: Archibald Henderson Tailor (Master) and Bridget Henderson M.S. McIloy.

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Re: Scotland from Ireland
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 July 17 21:29 BST (UK) »
1891 Census is all I have at this moment in time:

Patrick Mulholland Head Mar 38 Furnaceman Ireland
Bridget      do       Wife  Mar 38                     do
Arthur        do      Son   Un   12  ??? Worker  Lanarkshire, Glasgow.
Mary          do      Dau   Un   11  Scholar         do
Patrick        do     Son    Un   9      do              do
Bridget       do      Dau    Un   6     do              do
Maggie       do       Dau   Un   3                       do
Sarah         do      Dau    Un   1                       do

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Re: Scotland from Ireland
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 July 17 21:38 BST (UK) »
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Found him.
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Re: Scotland from Ireland
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 July 17 21:52 BST (UK) »
Something to keep in mind-

James Henderson, son of Archibold Henderson & Bridget McElroy
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X67F-279
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Re: Scotland from Ireland
« Reply #8 on: Friday 14 July 17 22:00 BST (UK) »
Something to keep in mind-

James Henderson, son of Archibold Henderson & Bridget McElroy
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X67F-279

Now that is very interesting. I think that before my Father in Law died he mentioned something about family moving to the USA. Will chat with my Mother In Law in the week.
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