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Richard Gleadall - proof of parentage?
« on: Saturday 15 July 17 13:59 BST (UK) »
“My” Richard Gleadall is fairly consistent with his birthplace of Doncaster, and age, (dob 1814) on all censuses.
I could find no baptism at Doncaster between 1810-1817.

Richard named one of his daughters Dinah, so I searched for a previous Dinah.
Found Diana Gledhill, baptised by Hannah Molloy, reputed father William Gledhill in 1812 at Doncaster.

Searching then for Richard, son of Hannah Molloy – yes!
Baptised Doncaster, 1813, no mention of putative father though.

Hannah Molloy (widow) married William Gledhill (widower) in 1825 at Sheffield. 

I believe Hannah was previously married to James Molloy. Unfortunately, the Doncaster burial registers for the period are not in good condition.

William Gleadall died in 1834, buried at Doncaster.  Entry shows he was a gardener.
Hannah Gleadall died in 1852, buried at Doncaster.  Entry shows she was living at St. James Street, Doncaster.

My Richard Gleadall was a gardener.
In 1851, he was living at St James Street, Doncaster.

Is all this enough proof of Richards parentage do you think?

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Re: Richard Gleadall - proof of parentage?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 15 July 17 15:30 BST (UK) »
Hello

There is a marriage of a Hannah Kemp to a James Molloy occupation gardener in Wadworth on August 1st 1808.

Hope that helps.
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Re: Richard Gleadall - proof of parentage?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 15 July 17 16:03 BST (UK) »
Sorry but I have also found the following so may confuse you!

Baptism at St George's Doncaster

12 June 1811 James Maloy son of James occ labourer born 26 May 1811 2nd
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Re: Richard Gleadall - proof of parentage?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 July 17 16:12 BST (UK) »
Hello peramar

Thanks for looking.

I looked at the marriage you found, and it looked promising, but then I found a baptism of a child (forename is obliterated, sadly) in 1808, Doncaster.

Father is James Molloy, publican, and Hannah, maiden name Dyson.

Oh dear!

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Re: Richard Gleadall - proof of parentage?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 18 July 17 20:24 BST (UK) »
Hello again

Am sending you a pm as I have some information re a James Molloy in Doncaster
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Cumberland, Fletcher, Storey,
Beverley, Swaby, Cope
Barnsley, Harper, Rushforth. Barker, Foundhere, Gelder, Headen.
Lanarkshire Hart, Caufield, McKeown

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Re: Richard Gleadall - proof of parentage?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 July 17 11:40 BST (UK) »
If you can find the first marriage or prior marriage before William's marriage to Hannah Molloy 1825 (if married more than twice) naming his first wife's first name then try and find her year of death. It will give a better picture as William's status (Widower or married) at time of these illegitimate births of Hannah Molloy

There ( in Quarter sessions) could be bastardy orders on William ? for the upkeep of the child or children being William named as father officially in PR if Hannah was receiving relief payment of sorts from the parish
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Re: Richard Gleadall - proof of parentage?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 July 17 14:57 BST (UK) »
Found by RC member ..Claire..

Margaret Gleadall wife of William buried Doncaster 18 Sept. 1808 - death from 'decline'
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Re: Richard Gleadall - proof of parentage?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 July 17 15:00 BST (UK) »
“My” Richard Gleadall is fairly consistent with his birthplace of Doncaster, and age, (dob 1814) on all censuses.
I could find no baptism at Doncaster between 1810-1817.

Richard named one of his daughters Dinah, so I searched for a previous Dinah.
Found Diana Gledhill, baptised by Hannah Molloy, reputed father William Gledhill in 1812 at Doncaster.

Searching then for Richard, son of Hannah Molloy – yes!
Baptised Doncaster, 1813
, no mention of putative father though.

Hannah Molloy (widow) married William Gledhill (widower) in 1825 at Sheffield. 

I believe Hannah was previously married to James Molloy. Unfortunately, the Doncaster burial registers for the period are not in good condition.

William Gleadall died in 1834, buried at Doncaster.  Entry shows he was a gardener.
Hannah Gleadall died in 1852, buried at Doncaster.  Entry shows she was living at St. James Street, Doncaster.

My Richard Gleadall was a gardener.
In 1851, he was living at St James Street, Doncaster.

Is all this enough proof of Richards parentage do you think?

Thanks for reading,
Yorkslass

Think there is enough to prove
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Re: Richard Gleadall - proof of parentage?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 05 August 17 13:06 BST (UK) »
Sorry I haven't replied earlier - I've been away for a while.

Thank you Dobfarm, I'm pleased you agree enough information to "prove" he's my Richard.

I was worried that I couldn't find a burial for James Molloy.

I did find this though, it seems James "disappeared" and his son was trying to find him.
Makes me even more curious

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