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Re: Frederick Adolphus Harper
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 16 July 17 14:37 BST (UK) »
Allen Augustus' wife had a son in NZ in 1863:

1863/17758 Harper Alfred Thomas Mary Ann and Allen Augustus

Visiting his brother, maybe?

An interesting article mentioning Emmeline Marion Harper:

http://www.rlcnews.com.au/main/about-us/history/families/part-a/row-family/

Lizzie Ellen Harper's husband was a Dr who eloped to NZ with his first wife:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article199352815

Lizzie and he are buried at Box Hill Cemetery:

Box Hill VIC CE 2239
Bradford Elizabeth 1925
Bradford William Arthur 1931
Bradford Arthur Bampyfylde 1941 (VICBDM does not list parents' names for Arthur)

Mm, the mother of Arthur is neither the Good Drs first wife or Lizzie:

Reg. year1890 Reg. no22131 BRADFORD Arthur Bamfylde parents Wm Arthur and Edith Maud (Mann)
   
J.



Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams

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Re: Frederick Adolphus Harper
« Reply #10 on: Monday 17 July 17 05:41 BST (UK) »
From reply #2......

"MARRIAGE 1919: son?
Frederick Adolphus HARPER to Marion Christie BAIN"


Wife's birth?

1882/16798   Bain   Marion Christie   Annie   William Love

OR

1875/2009   Bain   Marion Christie   Elizabeth   John

Remarried? ...... death?

1961/27926   Cubitt   Marion Christie   86Y

OR

1966/26004   Smart   Marion Christie   82Y

Burial details for Marion Christie Smart:

http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=134262&type=Cremation

Probates for both women......

https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14701386

https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14695875


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Frederick Adolphus Harper
« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 July 17 23:12 BST (UK) »
thanks  for that Frederick Adolphus died 1877 he was s hotel keeper in outram dunedin think i need to get his death cert Kiwikate
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Re: Frederick Adolphus Harper
« Reply #12 on: Monday 17 July 17 23:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Kiwikate,

It is better to purchase a "Printout" which is a photocopy of the register entry,it often has more information but being a death it is only as good as the informant.
If know this is what you could expect to find.

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/death

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Re: Frederick Adolphus Harper
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 18 July 17 03:18 BST (UK) »
thanks  for that Frederick Adolphus died 1877 he was s hotel keeper in outram dunedin think i need to get his death cert Kiwikate


The only death I can find around 1877 is this one......

1876/3076   Harper   Frederick   40Y

[He died on 3.12.1876]

His drowning?:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18761216.2.13?query=frederick%20harper


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Frederick Adolphus Harper
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 18 July 17 03:33 BST (UK) »
thanks  for that Frederick Adolphus died 1877 he was s hotel keeper in outram dunedin think i need to get his death cert Kiwikate

Hi  ...

As per his Probate record (mentioned earlier in this thread) - he died on 20 November 1885.

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Re: Frederick Adolphus Harper
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 18 July 17 16:30 BST (UK) »
Hi kiwikate

Further to all the info posted earlier by AMBLY, I'm sure I can now confirm family to which  Frederick Adolphus HARPER belonged.   ;)

Possible trail - to be proved or disproved!

Parents: John HARPER and Elizabeth

A Batch lot of Baptisms in 1840, Lymptone, (Lympstone) Devon.
All on 17 March 1740.
Frederick Adolphus HARPER
Julia Augusta HARPER
Allen Augustus HARPER

On 4 Jan 1835: William Henry HARPER
On 5 March 1824: Harriet Charlotte HARPER

1841 CENSUS: Devonshire Place, St Sidwell, Exeter, Devon
Elizabeth HARPER 40, Widow, Ind - N
Ellen "   20 - N
Louisa "  15 - N
Harriet "  15 - Y
Julia "  15-Y
Allen " 11 - Y
Frederick "  9 - Y  * *
Elizabeth HARPER 13 - FS  - Y
Harriet HARPER 50,  Visitor Ind - N
Mary ",  35 - N
Sophia ", 30, N


So, yes, despite being born circa 1834, he was baptised in 1840, at Lympstone Parish, Devon, along with his siblings Julia and Allen.  [Incidentally, Allen's mariners record shows he was born 29 April 1829 at Lympstone - and went to sea as a boy in 1844.]

It looks as if the father > John HARPER > died at Lympstone, in 1840 ?  (Need to go back and re-check that listing.)

As it transpired, John and Elizabeth HARPER had quite a number of other children prior to Frederick's birth - in fact he was near the tail-end of his family.   Finding them all (and the parents' marriage) was something of a mission - stretching back from Frederick by some 20 years, and spanning two counties.     But the baptism records for the children had a common thread all showing the father John HARPER listed as "gentleman".  [Because John doesn't show up in census records, haven't as yet  been able to establish what his occupation was. ]

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Re: Frederick Adolphus Harper
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 18 July 17 17:20 BST (UK) »
Frederick Adolphus HARPER :

Happily Frederick left a clue in the name he gave to his son, Thomas Poole HARPER (b. 1878).
[And initially I'd thought "POOLE" might be the maiden surname of Frederick's mother Elizabeth - but no - and there's an interesting couple of twists along the way before we get to Elizabeth. ]

Frederick's older siblings (whose names I'll add later) had been born in Middlesex and baptised in Marylebone Parish.

A brother born 10 May 1820, baptised 7 June 1820, was named Thomas Pool (without the "e") HARPER.

I couldn't see any "trees" published online for this family at all and hadn't happened on a marriage for the parents before 1813 when there was a baptism of Robert Hooper HARPER and his brother, John.

Finally, in the marriage register for Westminster - St. James, Piccadilly, was this.  ;)

No : 111 - St James, Piccadilly ( Middlesex )

John HARPER, Esquire, of the Parish of St. Marylebone in this County, and, Elizabeth REYNELL, of this Parish, were married in this church by licence this day 11 April 1812 by me
Thomas Poole HOOPER, A.M., Minister.
In the presence of  >    Robert HOOPER and Harriet HARPER
[Source:  ancestry.com - Bishop's Transcripts. ]
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The minister, Thomas Poole HOOPER I found, was at the time of the above marriage, the Rector of the church of St Mary, (New Shoreham), Sussex as well as Vicar of Sompting (also in Sussex), which meant that he had come to London to marry this couple.    So a family connection  ??   Well, it seems that the Robert HOOPER (witness) had married Elizabeth's mother in 1802 (which was after Elizabeth's birth).   
Robert HOOPER was a prominent physician who died in 1835 - articles about him though don't clarify whether he was Elizabeth REYNELL's father - or whether in fact he had any children.

But somebody else I found had gathered information for the HOOPER side of the family which is choc full of info, so I'll leave you to digest that in the meantime.    ;D

The HOOPER family of Somerset :
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/HOOPER/2012-06/1339509442

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Re: Frederick Adolphus Harper
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 18 July 17 17:29 BST (UK) »
Marriage

St. Leonard, Shoreditch, (Middlesex) ENG
3 June 1802

Robert HOOPER, Bachelor   and    Elizabeth Ann REYNELL, spinster

Witnesses :  John Macintosh (? looks like)  and  George LIMMING

[A Marriage Bonds and Allegations record of 2 June 1802, state that both were "of this parish" and both were aged 21 years. ]