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Re: Can't find a birth registration
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 16 July 17 16:57 BST (UK) »
I presume this is Cornelius's marriage
Marriages Dec 1875 

HARRINGTON    Cornelius       
SULLIVAN    Mary       
St. Geo. H. Sq.    1a   789

Children
HARRINGTON, ANN       mmn SULLIVAN     
1877  Dec Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY  Volume 01D  Page 92

HARRINGTON, THOMAS  JAMES     mmn SULLIVAN     
1887  March Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 132

HARRINGTON, MARY       mmn SULLIVAN     
1888  Dec Quarter in POPLAR  Volume 01C  Page 690
 


He definitely married a Mary Sullivan in I believe 1875 ( will have to check marriage certificates) but he claimed to be a widower when he married my great grandmother Mary Williams in 1884 also in St George Hanover Square.

I haven't found a death certificate for his first wife so it must be after 1875 and before 1884.

I don't think there any children from his first marriage although of course its possible. All the children I have listed are from his second marriage to Mary Williams
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: Can't find a birth registration
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 16 July 17 17:06 BST (UK) »
I'm looking for the birth year of Ellen Mary Ashman. Her parents were George Ashman and Hannah Harrington.

You need to look at George ASHMAN's army pension record.  Ellen Mary was born 3 Jan 1911 and was illegitimate ....

MILLGROVE, ELLEN  MARY
Mother's Maiden name: HARRINGTON
GRO Reference: 1911  M Quarter in GREENWICH  Volume 01D  Page 962

This birth is only indexed once under MILLGROVE so was probably registered in a manner which suggested that the named parents were married.  You would need to see the certificate.

Debra  :)

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Re: Can't find a birth registration
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 16 July 17 17:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you Debra, I did not look for a service record that will teach me  ;D
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Re: Can't find a birth registration
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 16 July 17 17:21 BST (UK) »
Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone who contributed. I will send for the certificate and see what I can discover about Mr Millgrove
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire


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Re: Can't find a birth registration
« Reply #31 on: Monday 17 July 17 09:50 BST (UK) »
Please let us know the outcome, Millgrove seems to be an uncommon name

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Re: Can't find a birth registration
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 16:48 BST (UK) »
Finally received Ellen's birth certificate today.
She was born January 1911 at 77 Griffin Street Deptford to Hannah Mary Millgrove (formally Harrington) and Frederick Millgrove , fish porter.

H Millgrove, mother, was the informant.

As far as I know Hannah wasn't married to Frederick Millgrove and she married George Ashman several years later

Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: Can't find a birth registration
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 18:10 BST (UK) »
Millgrove seems to be a rather rare surname, and although there are plenty of other BMD occurrences of it I cannot see any sign of a Frederick at any time (and no other Millgroves in Greenwich) ???

NB there are a couple of Frederic(k)s (father and son) in Newington, Surrey in 1861 whose surname is transcribed in some places as Millgrove, but on closer inspection and corroboration with other records it was actually Snellgrove.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Can't find a birth registration
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 18:15 BST (UK) »
Millgrove seems to be a rather rare surname, and though there are plenty of other BMD occurrences of it I cannot see any sign of a Frederick at any time (and no other Millgroves in Greenwich) ???

Me neither. Nor is there any sign of him on the 1911 census. There is a Hannah Harrington, servant, in Hampstead but no Hannah Milgrove or Millgrove in Deptford or Greenwich
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: Can't find a birth registration
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 18:19 BST (UK) »
Has baby Ellen been found anywhere in the census?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)