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Re: Frank Yeoman ELLERY NZ Family
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 20 July 17 13:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Bernice

... hadn't read your last message when I added my last post.

It does seem that the parents missed registering the births of their first two children.  That sort of thing did happen back then.   

The matter is sometimes rectified later > often by the "unregistered child" themselves > when they need a birth certificate or form of identification [as is probably the case with the James ELLERY registered in 1925.] 

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Re: Frank Yeoman ELLERY NZ Family
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 20 July 17 21:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Minihaha & Lu
When I did a birth search for years 1898-1900 James still comes up so I do think it it thye 1st son but why no Frank is  the Q then I looked a wiliam Larkins Will  and cant see were it says he was born in Karangahake or Thames so  I think he may be part of the other family but cant  find in either  NZ Cornwall or Australia
any help on that?

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Re: Frank Yoeman ELLERY NZ Family
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 20 July 17 22:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Minihaha & Lu
When I did a birth search for years 1898-1900 James still comes up so I do think it it thye 1st son but why no Frank is  the Q then I looked a wiliam Larkins Will  and cant see were it says he was born in Karangahake or Thames so  I think he may be part of the other family but cant  find in either  NZ Cornwall or Australia
any help on that?
Here is the will of William Larkin(s) Ellery...

Somewhere among the pages I read that he was born in Thames.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSSP-R9DN-9?i=159&cc=1865481


Minniehaha.


Go to image 166; it is here the place of his birth is shown.


Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Frank Yeoman ELLERY NZ Family
« Reply #30 on: Friday 21 July 17 00:25 BST (UK) »
Part quote from reply #2..

 "perhaps William Larkin & James Yeoman snr were brothers?"

[Bernice although you feel some of the information being provided by us appears be irrelevant, it does not hurt to keep an open mind on the matter.  :) Sometimes we have to go "all around the houses" to get there in the end.]

From the WW1 file of James Yeoman Ellery:

http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE13820960

The father of the above James was also named James Yeoman Ellery, born England, deceased. [Image 11]

One child at that time:

His death......

2000/615   Ellery   Clifford David   31 December 1917


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Frank Yeoman ELLERY NZ Family
« Reply #31 on: Friday 21 July 17 05:19 BST (UK) »
I had a great deal of difficulty loading that page Minehaha so thanks for the link, James and Jane Snr married 1882 so cant be Williams parents (b 1876 ? from death age for 48 in 1924)
I am open and perhaps it can be 1 of james brothers instead so will check others out thanks

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Re: Frank Yeoman ELLERY NZ Family
« Reply #32 on: Friday 21 July 17 22:17 BST (UK) »
Will of William Larkins ELLERY another contradiction is on the cover pages it refers to him as a "Settler" doesn't that indicate he came to NZ from overseas?

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Re: Frank Yeoman ELLERY NZ Family
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 22 July 17 03:05 BST (UK) »
Will of William Larkins ELLERY another contradiction is on the cover pages it refers to him as a "Settler" doesn't that indicate he came to NZ from overseas?

Well, yes ...and ... no.   ;D     [And it's always good to question these things. ]
Generally it refers to a person who has say, come from another country or area, with the intention of settling (longterm) in a particular place.

Interestingly, on the 1919 electoral roll for Manukau (Auck.) William L. is listed as "engineer".   ;)

[Sometimes the term "settler" was used for a long-term resident of a place, by others  > e.g. a solicitor / a journalist, etc. > when an accurate "job description or occupation" was not available or forthcoming.  ]

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Re: Frank Yeoman ELLERY NZ Family
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 22 July 17 03:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Bernice

Just wanted to add that I do have some new information re: William L. ELLERY.

It does though require a lot more searching (and elimination) on my part ... will add it here when I have it sorted.

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Re: Frank Yeoman ELLERY NZ Family
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 22 July 17 05:34 BST (UK) »
Much appreciated Lu  Look forward to it many thanks