Help with brick wall - parents for James Holton

[vapcq45]

Hi

I’ve got a solid brick wall and wondered if anyone can help me?

I want to confirm the parents for James Holton below.

There are strong records for a James b 1801 at the Lying in Hospital, Endell Street, London to a Thomas and Ann, however I have all these records and father was a coachman/gentlemans servant and my chap was just a salesman/oilman/potato dealer.  Besides, in the Lying in hospital records there is a James that married a Kitty that have their son there and he is a gentleman’s servant so I think more likely this James is the son of the Tomas and my James is not related.

James Holton b 1801 or 1802 - censuses for 1851,1861 and 1871 say b Middlesex, London
Married Emma Neeves (b Cambridge) at St. Giles in the Fields, Middlesex in 1827
Children with baptised locations:
1829  Emma Mary Louise – Old Church St. Pancras
1831  James - Bryanston Square St Mary (died same year)
1832  James Joseph – Old Church St Pancras
1835  Frances Rebecca – Islington
1837  Mary Jane – St. George the Martyr, Southwark
1839  Sarah – Christchurch, Southwark, Surrey
1843  Thomas William, St. George the Martyr, Southwark

So – who could be my James’ parents?

Any help or information would be so gratefully received.

Thanks

Val

[rosie99]

I see from the 1851 census that daughter Fanny was born in Montreal, was this true.
Her baptism in Southwark, London gives her birth as January 1835 baptised 28 June 1837.  Her sister born 1837 was bapt the same day.

I was thinking if she was born Montreal maybe James was the one from the lying in hospital and just changed employment type after returning to England.  The 1827 marriage that I can see was not completed - signatures for Bride, Groom & witnesses are missing 

Do you have the family in 1841 found them    1841 also has a 'squiggle' against where Fanny is born which is not Y or N

[vapcq45]

Hi - no she was definitely born in the UK.  I need to do research but for some reason that census some folk were put down as Montreal.  A total mystery.
they are all definitely born and bred in London, Middlesex area

thanks Rosie

[rosie99]

Do you have the family's whereabouts between the 1832 baptism and the 1837 baptisms to back up that UK birth 

[vapcq45]

only the 1835 baptism for Rebecca Frances
ame:   Frances Rebecca Holton
Gender:   Female
Birth Date:   7 Jan 1835
Baptism Date:   28 Jun 1837
Baptism Place:   St. George the Martyr, Southwark, Surrey, England
Father:   James Holton
Mother:   Emma
FHL Film Number:   394845

[rosie99]

The baptism took place in 1837, nearly two and half years after she was born.  The other children were baptised nearer their births that is why I wonder if they were out of the country and census is correct.  The 1841 has a dubious place of birth too 

[vapcq45]

True could have been.  All I have is he was an oil man living in Coburg Street, St. Pancras in 1831 and then birth of Frances in 1835. 
My real mystery is who is James's parents?

thanks so much Rosie99

Val

[rosie99]

I realise it is not helping unless there is evidence of him going to Canada as some sort of servant.  Have you tried to locate the James whose baptism you have in the lying in hospital after his birth. 

I was also interested in Emma as I have Neeves/Neaves in Cambridge area but can't see a birth/baptism for her.  Some of 'mine' came up to the Tottenham area in the early 1800's.

[Lily M]

I'm not sure that the James born in Endell Street should be dismissed too quickly.   The naming of his children fit that family well.

His parents were Thomas and Mary.  His siblings were Thomas, Elizabeth Rebecca, Sarah and Ann.

Father Thomas died in 1836 and mentioned these children in his Will.

I can't actually tie your James in with any of them though.