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Was Evan Rowland Bridget Rowland's brother?
« on: Tuesday 18 July 17 17:23 BST (UK) »
Llanberis Burial records have - Evan Rowland, Garddau bach, age 66, buried 11 Nov 1840. I am searching for his baptism and parents' names.

His life is documented in Llanberis records from his marriage 4 Jan 1799 to Anne Jones, through the baptisms of ten children between 1799 to 1826 to his death.

Llanberis Burial records also record the death of Bridget Rowland, Garddau, 22 Feb 1818 aged 41. There is an additional note - 'died of a Fever, she came on a visit to her father from Conway & was taken ill on the road'. About two months later her father died - Rowland William, miner, Garddau, 24 Mar 1818, aged 73. Again there is an additional note - 'died of the fever soon after his Daughter'.

I'm looking for some proof that both Evan and Bridget Rowland are children of Rowland William. Their baptisms are not in Llanberis parish records.


Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Was Evan Rowland Bridget Rowland's brother?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 16:06 BST (UK) »
I can only find one Rowland Williams as a father in Llanberis in the period 1760 - 1790, and neither a Bridget or a Evan seems to have been baptised to him and his wife Elizabeth Roberts. I think this gentleman was a church warden, so all his children were probably baptised. He would also have been too old to be the 'Garddau' RW, being born in 1731. I'm afraid I cannot find any of the relevant people in the Nant Peris MIs, either. (A John Evans of Gardda Bach died in 1880, aged 76 -son of Evan ?).
      I can't find any reference in FindMyPast to a 'Bridget' being born anywhere in the area at all during that period. Have you considered that Rowland Williams might have moved in from elsewhere whilst his family were still children ?.
Owen , Parry , Pritchard, Foulkes  o Llanddeiniolen
Jones, Bellis o Sir Fflint
Williams o Beaumaris
Chambers o Dulyn
Rowlands o Tywyn

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Re: Was Evan Rowland Bridget Rowland's brother?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 18:15 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for your reply, Huwcyn.

I agree the Rowland Williams (of Hafod Gynfor), husband of Elizabeth Roberts, was not the father of Evan and Bridget Rowland. (I think this RW was buried in March 1796. You are also correct that John Evans, Garddau Bach 1804-1880, was Evan Rowland's son.)

I have failed to find a baptism of Bridget daughter of Rowland Williams about 1777 anywhere in Britain, perhaps the spelling of Bridget is a problem? I eventually found her marriage in a transcript of Llanberis marriages to William Jones (William Philip(s) when his children were baptised) on 8 Nov 1800 as Bridchert Williams.

The family were copper miners so Rowland Williams presumably came to Llanberis from another copper mining area. The burial record for Rowland Williams in 1818 describes him as 'alias Lolly feddw', could this be a clue to where they came from?

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Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Was Evan Rowland Bridget Rowland's brother?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 18:56 BST (UK) »
Not a particularly flattering nickname if it relates to the deceased ! . Might it be an alias for his home ?
I can't make it out to be anything other than your transcription.
       In  Bridget's marriage, is she described as being ' of this parish' ? .
 
Owen , Parry , Pritchard, Foulkes  o Llanddeiniolen
Jones, Bellis o Sir Fflint
Williams o Beaumaris
Chambers o Dulyn
Rowlands o Tywyn


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Re: Was Evan Rowland Bridget Rowland's brother?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 20:42 BST (UK) »
Not a particularly flattering nickname if it relates to the deceased ! Might it be an alias for his home ?
I can't make it out to be anything other than your transcription.       
My Welsh is far from fluent - can you translate?

In  Bridget's marriage, is she described as being ' of this parish' ? .

It's taken from a transcription made by a friend a few years ago, in full it reads - William Jones and Bridchert Williams of Llanberis by banns on 8th November 1800 ipa (ipo?) Owen Rowland and Griffith David. I don't know whether this is a precise transcription.

Their children were baptised - Owen 1802, Maurice 1804, Phillip 1806, William 1808, Ellin 1810 - all son/dau. of William Philipp and his wife Bridget of Garddau Bach (Llanberis). Then John 1812 Cwm Brwynog (Llanberis) followed by Elizabeth 1815 Conway.

I'm also researching William Philipp. I believe he had a brother Thomas (d. Llanberis 1829 aged 55) and perhaps another brother Rowland (d. Llanberis 1836 aged 54), all copper miners. I cannot find their baptisms either! I'm guessing, judging from William Philipp being referred to as William Jones when he married, that their father was Philip Jones/John (or John Philipp), but this is guesswork.
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Was Evan Rowland Bridget Rowland's brother?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 21:25 BST (UK) »
'feddw' would be a mutation of 'meddw' : drunk !. Could it say 'Rolly feddw' , 'Rolly' being a dimunitive of 'Rowland' .
Incidentally, I've two distant relatives who married 'Phillips' brothers from Llanberis. These had a father called Thomas Phillips, who was born in Conwy in 1812. I wonder if its the same family as you're looking at ?
Owen , Parry , Pritchard, Foulkes  o Llanddeiniolen
Jones, Bellis o Sir Fflint
Williams o Beaumaris
Chambers o Dulyn
Rowlands o Tywyn

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Re: Was Evan Rowland Bridget Rowland's brother?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 22:20 BST (UK) »
Yes it is the same family - Thomas Phillips baptised Conway 1812 was the son of Thomas Phillips (d. Llanberis 1829) and Sarah Roberts (ca1776 -1840). His older siblings Thomas 1801, Margaret 1802, Ann 1805, Ellin 1807 and Robert 1809 were baptised at Llanberis before the move to Conway. William was born and died at Conway in Jan 1816 and a final son William was baptised back at Llanberis in 1817.

Robert 1809 married Ellin Evans, daughter of Evan Rowland.

Rolly feddw - how unfortunate!
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk