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Re: Solved Brick Wall - Helen Margaret McQueen Anderson b.1883 New Aberdour
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 23:02 BST (UK) »
Patrick above shows as the son of Isabella Anderson. Born 1855  (the magic year for Scottish BMDs with lots more info for one year). https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYT7-1W5

Another child, Isabella in 1857 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYGV-HJW

Can't see a Christina Anderson born in MacDuff 1859-60. Wonder if the Christina in that 1861 should be Maggie Ann?

Monica
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Re: Solved Brick Wall - Helen Margaret McQueen Anderson b.1883 New Aberdour
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 23:07 BST (UK) »
In 1851, Isabella Anderson is showing, not surprisingly, as the daughter of Francis Anderson:

Francis Anderson 59 Farmer (of 60 Acres Employing 1 Lab) b. Gamrie
Isabella Anderson 19 daughter housekeeper b. Gamrie
Christian Anderson 17
Francis Anderson 10
John Anderson 9
Christian Anderson 97 mother farmer's widow, b. Aberdour
Frances Massie 5
Robert West 25
Margaret Kidd 58
Ann Bruce 45

Address: Haddolays, Banff

If correct family for Isabella, it may be that Maggie Ann gave grandfather's details as her father's name on the MC. Many mixed up family details and names to cover up illegitimacy...

Monica

ADDED: I think Francis' wife and mother to the above was an Isabel MASSIE going by some birth indexes.
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Re: Solved Brick Wall - Helen Margaret McQueen Anderson b.1883 New Aberdour
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 23:09 BST (UK) »
Looks like the page you are viewing is a continuation from the previous page. To view that, you have to use a further 6 units  :-\

From a transcript you have:

Francis Anderson 69 head pauper b. Gamrie
George Anderson 11 son b. Gamrie
Robert Anderson 9 son b. Gamrie
Patrick S Anderson 6 son b. Gamrie
Christian Anderson 1 b. Macduff
Isabella Anderson 35 wife b. Gamrie
Margaret Jameison 18 cousin domestic servant b.Gamrie

Address: Gellymill St, MacDuff

Monica

Ah many thanks again Monica. Quite frustrating about the census, I didn't realise that could happen as I haven't come across this before.

So, having done a search again for any marriage on SP for Isabella and Francis, there is nothing. I feel that this 'marriage status' isn't true and was given over to hide the true status. It could even be that Isabella is in fact Francis' daughter given the ages??  ??? ??? ???

I wonder if all of these children are Isabellas. Time for more research.

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Re: Solved Brick Wall - Helen Margaret McQueen Anderson b.1883 New Aberdour
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 23:13 BST (UK) »
Jill, I have just added the 1851 census entry above. Looks like Isabella was Francis' daughter not wife. Not sure why she shows as wife in 1861  ???

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Re: Solved Brick Wall - Helen Margaret McQueen Anderson b.1883 New Aberdour
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 23:13 BST (UK) »
In 1851, Isabella Anderson is showing, not surprisingly, as the daughter of Francis Anderson:

Francis Anderson 59 Farmer (of 60 Acres Employing 1 Lab) b. Gamrie
Isabella Anderson 19 daughter housekeeper b. Gamrie
Christian Anderson 17
Francis Anderson 10
John Anderson 9
Christian Anderson 97 mother farmer's widow, b. Aberdour
Frances Massie 5
Robert West 25
Margaret Kidd 58
Ann Bruce 45

Address: Haddolays, Banff

If correct family for Isabella, it may be that Maggie Ann gave grandfather's details as her father's name on the MC. Many mixed up family details and names to cover up illegitimacy...

Monica

ADDED: I think Francis' wife and mother to the above was an Isabel MASSIE going by some birth indexes.

Hi again, seems like we posted at the same time. I did think she was in fact his daughter. My goodness what a messy old family these Andersons are!!

I wonder if Maggie Ann actually believed her Grandfather was her father.
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Anderson, Massie

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Re: Solved Brick Wall - Helen Margaret McQueen Anderson b.1883 New Aberdour
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 23:17 BST (UK) »
This looks to be Isabella in 1871. Wonder what her marital status is for this entry?:

Isabella Anderson 45 pauper b. Gamrie
Mary J Anderson 8 b. Macduff https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYPK-7XG
Isabella Anderson 5 b. Macduff https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYPK-QHP

Address: 19 Carmelite St, Banff

Have a look at the index for Mary J above  ::) Tired now. Still to figure them out for sure!

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Re: Solved Brick Wall - Helen Margaret McQueen Anderson b.1883 New Aberdour
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 23:19 BST (UK) »
Patrick above shows as the son of Isabella Anderson. Born 1855  (the magic year for Scottish BMDs with lots more info for one year). https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYT7-1W5

Another child, Isabella in 1857 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYGV-HJW

Can't see a Christina Anderson born in MacDuff 1859-60. Wonder if the Christina in that 1861 should be Maggie Ann?

Monica

Sorry, missed this post. I don't think Christina in 1861 is Maggie Ann. Maggie Ann's birth cert is 8th October 1859.

There are so many 'missing' children all over the place here. I can only think she's been boarded our or something given that Isabella is a Pauper here and probably couldn't afford to keep her. Maggie Ann would've been 12 in the 1871 census (as her birthday is October). I can only think she's out employed somewhere?

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Perthshire
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Re: Solved Brick Wall - Helen Margaret McQueen Anderson b.1883 New Aberdour
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 23:30 BST (UK) »
This looks to be Isabella in 1871. Wonder what her marital status is for this entry?:

Isabella Anderson 45 pauper b. Gamrie
Mary J Anderson 8 b. Macduff https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYPK-7XG
Isabella Anderson 5 b. Macduff https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYPK-QHP

Address: 19 Carmelite St, Banff

Have a look at the index for Mary J above  ::) Tired now. Still to figure them out for sure!

Monica

I can't help but think bad things about Isabella here  ;D She's a VERY complicated woman!

I've checked the link for Mary J and shocked again! I really do hope this is a 'cover-up' for illegitimately and not something more sinister! If you get my drift?  :o :o :o :o
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Perthshire
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Cameron, Stewart, Grant
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Re: Solved Brick Wall - Helen Margaret McQueen Anderson b.1883 New Aberdour
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 20 July 17 00:13 BST (UK) »
There is a 35 year old Isabella Anderson at Gellymill Street in 1861. However, I am a bit disappointed with the way the census has come through. There is no head of the household available to view.
It happens quite a lot. Look them up at www.freecen.org and you should see who the head of the household was.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.