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Re: Trevethin area BROWN/WATKINS/MILES
« Reply #18 on: Friday 21 July 17 14:07 BST (UK) »
As rosie said Father James in Marriage to Winfred;

Same as this record has;
Marriage is on FreeREG 10 May 1841 for Samuel Brown and Sophia Bond
Father James, Occp Plasterer
Sophias James, Shoemaker

Re Sophia
1861 born c 1821 Wincanton
1861 born c 1819 Frome

Baptism;
SOPHIA Bond 10 May 1818, Holy Trinity, Bratton Seymour, Somerset
Parents JAMES/JANE
Fathers Occp Shoemaker

1841 they are in Frome;
Samuel Brown   20
Sophia Brown   25

As far as I am concerned there is only one Couple, Samuel John goes by just John on most Census.
Details of his 2 Marriages add up also.

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Re: Trevethin area BROWN/WATKINS/MILES
« Reply #19 on: Friday 21 July 17 14:17 BST (UK) »
From the 1871 Wales Census (from memory) John is born Beckington, Somerset..
If you just search Brown born Beckington quite a lot come up on Census.

Also on FreeREG we have;

DANIEL HUBERT Brown Baptised 16 Feb 1834, St George, Beckington, Somerset
Parents JAMES/ANNE
Fathers Occp Plasterer***
Notes;  Adult; said to be born Octr 24th 1815****

Definitely a link to Beckington ;D

FRANCES HENRY Brown buried same Church as above, 26 March 1843, Son of SAMUEL/SOPHIA
Fathers Occp Plasterer**

MARRIAGE same Church;
James BROWN to Ann CAFFLE 15 April 1804, both of this Parish
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Re: Trevethin area BROWN/WATKINS/MILES
« Reply #20 on: Friday 21 July 17 14:37 BST (UK) »
MARRIAGE same Church;
4 Sept 1845
James BROWN, full age, Widower, Occp Plasterer**, Father JOSEPH Brown, Cloth Dresser
Maria THRASHER, full age, Widow, Father George STTOCKLEY, Leather Dresser

1851 Census
Beckington, Somerset
Maria BROWN, 55, Widow, Laundress, born Wiltshire
Charity Cromwell, 62, Lodger


Cant find Burial for James but GRO Index has a Death Reg;

BROWN, JAMES, age   65****
GRO Reference: 1846  J Quarter in FROME UNION  Volume 10  Page 273
So birth c 1780

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BROWN, ANN, age 60****
GRO Reference: 1843  M Quarter in FROME UNION  Volume 10  Page 309
So birth c 1783

So to finish this off;

1841 Census
Goose Street,
Beckington, Somerset
James Brown, 60, Plasterer
Ann Brown, 55
Mary Brown, 15, Dressmaker
Henry Brown, 15, Plasterer
Mary/Henry may be Grandchildren.

So James/Ann did not seem to Baptise their Children.
Daniel Hubert Brown was Baptised by himself as an Adult
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Re: Trevethin area BROWN/WATKINS/MILES
« Reply #21 on: Friday 21 July 17 15:01 BST (UK) »
Look for Daniel Brown  born c 1812 Brickington, Somerset, in 1851 Census (hes in Devon)
Image is Beckington.

FreeREG has James Brown Bapt 1781 Beckington
Parents possible Marriage 1777 Beckington
Fathers Burial 1815 Beckington age 59

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Re: Trevethin area BROWN/WATKINS/MILES
« Reply #22 on: Friday 21 July 17 15:05 BST (UK) »
Last for now.

1841 Census
Nunney, Somerset
James Bond, 60, Shoemaker**
Jane Bond, 60
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Re: Trevethin area BROWN/WATKINS/MILES
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 23 July 17 05:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone. I think we've reached agreement. Samuel John BROWN crops up in several records as a plasterer & tiler. Sophia had a father who was a Cordwainer, so it all fits.

They're not my Brown's so I'm moving up, but maybe another researcher will beneift. I can provide a lot of information on the Browns in Somerton and Frome.
Pembrokeshire - Brown, Rees, Thomas, James, Nedahl, Noot
Somerset - Brown, Parfitt, Daniell, Wheeler, Clissold, Indoe
Wiltshire - Collins

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Re: Trevethin area BROWN/WATKINS/MILES
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 23 July 17 08:08 BST (UK) »
Ignore my comments about John & Winifred, that needs further research. The handritten notes I was working from can be interpreted to show Sophia died in 1869 (as identified by rosie99, so if Samuel went back to being John this 1877 marriage needs examination. I'll leave that to other researchers who are more closely related.

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3672004/3672008/44/brown
Death 1869
May 5, at Garndiffaith, aged  53 years, Sophia, wife of Mr John Brown, tiler and plasterer.
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