Brick Wall breached? (FindMyPast) RC adult baptism J Wilson Horseferry Rd 01.04.1891

[jacqueline cox]

A baptism (FindMyPast England Roman Catholic Parish baptisms) by a Jesuit priest at Horeferry Road 1st April 1891 may be for my great grandmother Jeannetta Wilson whose origins pre aged 18 have been a mystery for 18 years. She became an "honest woman", marrying very belatedly in 1893 then died of TB 1896. Reputed by her grandson to have been a "raging catholic" (?convert?), I need help with reading the Latin and being sure of its meaning. It appears to say "ab heresi excepta. sub cond." "Sub cond" is often used in cases where there is no certainty of a previous baptism. Following the birth of an illegitimate child called Moxon in 1879, She married Thos Stapley at CofE St George Hanover Square as Moxon (a lie) in 1880, was widowed in 1884, immediately began to live "in sin" with my great grandfather Frank Wilson from 1884  and baptised her 6 children at CofE churches in Marylebone and Kilburn. Does "ab heresi excepta" - if that is what it says - mean something like "allowed because she has been a heretic" ?
Have I finally found my great great grandparents?
PS after all that, I can't find them anywhere!
Hopeful Jacqueline

[arthurk]

"ab heresi excepta" - I'd translate this as "received from heresy".

[jacqueline cox]

.thank you."O"Level Classical Latin pass achieved with effort 1958!

[avm228]

Jeannette/a is quite a puzzle, isn't she?

According to the baptism - if it is the right person - she was Jeannetta Maria Wilson born 16 Oct 1857 to Jacobi (James) Barr and Agneti (Agnes) Barr nee Forest.

Is this the first time the name Barr appears?  I see the following four children born (who are the 2 missing from the list? Charles T born c1882 St Geo Han Sq I cannot find):

Mar qtr 1879 Marylebone: William Henry Moxon mmn Jones
Sep qtr 1885 Lewisham: Frank Wilson mmn Stapeley
Jun qtr 1888 Marylebone: Jeannette Wilson mmn Moxon
Dec qtr 1891 Marylebone: Ernest Robert Wilson mmn Moxon

[avm228]

Other details:

Sep qtr 1880: Married as Jeanetta Moxon (full age, spinster) to Thomas Stapeley, St Geo Han Sq (her father James Moxon, tailor; witnesses Albert R? Potter and Kate? Jones).

1881 census: Jeanette Staply, 22, b City of London

1891 census: Jeanetta Wilson, 30, b Finsbury, London

Sep qtr 1893: Married as Janetta Stapley to Frank Wilson.

[jacqueline cox]

Missing child Emily Rose b& d 1894. Yes William Henry Moxon b illegit 1879, - she claimed to be Mrs Moxon, formerly Jones but she did not marry William's father also Wm Hy Moxon. Married following yr as Moxon d/o JAMES Moxon. But 1881 census suggests young Wm Hy Moxon was unhappy surprise for Thos Staples 2 yr old child "occupation illegitimate". So chm: Wm Hy Moxon, Chas Thos Staples Frank, Jeanette 1888, Ernest Robert, '91, Emily Rose 1894. Father's name at remarriage William Moxon. She forgot what she said in 1880 by 1893!

[avm228]

Oh I see:

Jun qtr 1881 Westminster: Charles Thomas Stapley mmn Moxon
Sep qtr 1894 Marylebone: Emily Rose Wilson mmn Moxon

[jacqueline cox]

Sorry, did nor answer 1st qu. Yes, this is first mention of Barr. No can find any James orAgnes Barr in 51, 61, 71, BTW my grandmother Jeanette 2 remembered her grandmother, who attended funeral of J1, wanted my grandmother to go to live in Ireland with her c1906 lived in ir near Dalston and may have been called "Mrs BARnard". Grandmother in her 80s when she wrote this to me in 1970s. Too late to interrogate further!

[jacqueline cox]

That should have read "wanted her to go to live with her in Ireland c 1906". The plot thickens ....