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Re: Divorce Records
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 23 July 17 04:59 BST (UK) »
... an earlier thread (which may assist in answering some questions) .

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731853.0

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Re: Divorce Records
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 23 July 17 05:27 BST (UK) »
"Only other nugget I have is that when Henry Morris died he left something for his daughter Ellen May"

Are you sure it wasn't John Henry Wilkes that left something to Ellen May?
Farrell  - Ayrshire
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McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
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Re: Divorce Records
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 23 July 17 10:29 BST (UK) »
Fantastic thanks very much for all the assistance (it was interesting to read all the previous posts on this branch of the family... I have actually made a fair bit of progress thanks to the kind souls of RootsChat!)

I will go through the various points in one msge:

1)   I have the marriage printouts, not the marriage certs.  I can’t see anything on the doc(s) that indicates an annulment or divorce (decree absolute)!  That is one major issue Lu -----since she remarried twice after the Morris marriage!!!
2)   After the Godden marriage and supposed subsequent annulment, Emma Jane remarried a Thomas Jackson Pinkney in 1899 (that marriage listed her as Emma Godden).  I wonder if the annulment to Morris would have listed her as Emma Godden (not Emma Jane Oakley)??
3)   I have obtained the base information for these folks from my (93-year-old) Aunt whose memory has been extremely accurate so far.
4)   Marriages for Emma Jane
            1886/475   Emma Jane   Oakley   Henry   Morris
            1888/2289   Emma Jane   Oakly   Julian Henry   Godden
            1899/587  Emma    Godden   Thomas Jackson
5)   Re John Henry Wilkes...Emma Jane was pregnant with Wilkes’ daughter Ellen May (Wilkes).  She and Wilkes never married (I think he was friends with Morris –both from Liverpool).  Morris offered, or was paid, to marry Emma Jane so the child wouldn’t be born illegitimate.  Wilkes completely disappears off the scene – I suspect he returned to England and possibly married an Elizabeth Pugh(?)
6)   John - it’s certainly possible that my aunt mixed up the names of Ellen May’s benefactor and it was her birth father who left her something.  But she is of the opinion that Henry Morris genuinely cared for Emma Jane and her daughter so she believes he was the one who bequeathed Ellen.
7)   Sue- Henry Morris was listed as a labourer on the wedding cert.  I have no further knowledge of him after that.
8)   Emma Jane had one child (Ellen May) before marrying Pinkney with whom she had several children.

As a final note:  Emma Jane was an habitual liar…even on the first marriage cert she lists her birthplace as Liverpool.  She was in fact born in Kangaroo Flat, Bendigo, (Victoria) Australia.  However, she did list her parents correctly. She could read and write and was fairly well educated actually, so she would have known if it was an error on the doc.

On her daughter’s birth cert (in Dunedin) she claimed to be married to Wilkes in Wellington on 2nd October 1885. Completely untrue -her first marriage was to Morris in 1886 when she was 5 months pregnant with Wilkes' child.

She left Morris and remarried Julian Godden who was apparently related to a family of influence in England (this part is a bit fuzzy but he was done for embezzlement possibly in England at some point– according to my Aunt). My Aunt said the marriage had been annulled because she was still married to Morris – this seems to be quite a well-known fact in the family at the time.

Ultimately – my goal is to locate Henry Morris and/or John Henry Wilkes to determine which of them left Ellen May an estate because I am hoping the probate doc will lead me to where they ended up.

Honestly – I feel like my head is going to explode every time I try to research Emma Jane’s life ::) ::)



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Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
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Re: Divorce Records
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 23 July 17 10:39 BST (UK) »
Ellen May's birth was registered as WILKES - the date resolves to 8/8/1886

1886/11441   Wilkes   Ellen May   Emma Jane   John Henry

This was noted on your previous thread. Emma can't then have married to provide legitimacy for Ellen.

The marriage to Henry MORRIS was on 2/3/1886 - what a complicated situation!
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
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Re: Divorce Records
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 23 July 17 10:41 BST (UK) »
Yes, that is correct John. I have a copy of that birth cert which incorrectly lists her mother as married to Wilkes.
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Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
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Re: Divorce Records
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 23 July 17 10:45 BST (UK) »
I wonder if Julian GODDEN might have been a remittance man (I assume he was in New Zealand)?

Could he be Julian Henry GODDEN?

http://www.larigan.com/total/11136.htm

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HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
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Re: Divorce Records
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 23 July 17 10:55 BST (UK) »
Hi, Spades - thanks for your help!

What's a remittance man?

Yes, I do have him connected to that family because the marriage cert to Emma Jane lists his parents as Stephen and Elizabeth Annette Danvers and that he was born in Foxton, Kent.

He is listed as a "Commission Agent" in Featherston (the same career Emma Jane's father is listed as having on the marriage cert).  I have quite a bit of info on Emma Jane's father John Downes Oakley including several ads for his business in the Featherston area.  John was also on the school board and I think the local council as I recall.

Regards, Carol
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
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Re: Divorce Records
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 23 July 17 10:59 BST (UK) »
Spades - I have a UK record for a Julian Godden in OCTOBER 1886 (before Emma Jane's marriage to him in NZ) - receiving a 3-month sentence for larceny in Kent. 

This fits with what my Aunt said about him and also the timeline for subsequent events. 

He may have fled or been sent abroad in disgrace by his family, ended up in Featherston working for the Oakleys and so it went....

There is also a subsequent record in Melbourne Australia in 1889 for larceny where he got 9 months; sounds like he didn't learn from the first bout with the law!
Johnston - New Zealand; Scotland
Brookes - New Zealand; England
Morris- Liverpool Lancs, UK; New Zealand
Hatter - Wiltshire UK; Otago New Zealand
Ainslie & Strachan - Midlothian, Scotland; New Zealand
Paull -St Agnes, St Columb Minor Parish Cornwall; South Africa; New Zealand
Gould & Reece- Stroud, Gloucestershire UK; New Zealand
Oakly - Australia, NZ; UK
Downes -UK; Australia; NZ
Kinghorn - Jamaica; England; Scotland
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Re: Divorce Records
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 23 July 17 11:10 BST (UK) »
Hi  Carol,

There is a topic towards the bottom of this Board posted by Jaybelnz titled 'Remittance Men' which is very helpful.

It certainly looks like you've found a motive.

Do you know what happened to him?

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HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL