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What does this say?
« on: Friday 21 July 17 13:52 BST (UK) »
Hello all, I hope you can help decipher what this word is on a marriage certificate please.

The marriage took place at Ecclesfield, near Sheffield 25 March 1849, between Samuel Needham and Harriet Crookes. I can find Hill Top, but I have no idea what the other place is, unless it is a corruption of Dodworth.

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Re: What does this say?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 July 17 14:20 BST (UK) »

 :-\ Someone local will know - or, could it be a house name?
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Re: What does this say?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 July 17 20:11 BST (UK) »
Nowadays, when people say Ecclesfield, they just mean one of the more distant suburbs of Sheffield, but back then Ecclesfield encompassed a very wide rural area, so I think you first need to know whereabouts they were within the Ecclesfield district then try to narrow it down. Do you have Samuel and Harriet in the 1851 census to get an address?
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Re: What does this say?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 July 17 21:02 BST (UK) »
It looks like Andoth/Audoth but I can't a match here:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Ecclesfield/

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Re: What does this say?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 July 17 22:40 BST (UK) »
Maybe Holdworth?

" 'Auldu'th" 

And looking at this

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=53.4220&lon=-1.5807&layers=171&right=BingHyb

there was a Hilltop not far from Holdworth Hall.

EDITED - and looking again at the map, I realise that I have walked along those very farm tracks many times. There's a big, modern looking farm there now. I think it's mostly arable though there are a few cows in the fields too. And it's not actually at the top of the hill!!
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
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Re: What does this say?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 July 17 22:58 BST (UK) »
This is the view from the top road; the farm marked Cliffe House (next to where Hilltop is marked on the old map to which I've given the link) is just out of view down the hill in the shallow V of the contours.

(Of course I might be getting carried away here but it's a nice pic to share and maybe it will be of interest!)
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: What does this say?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 July 17 23:03 BST (UK) »
The young couple were Samuel Needham and Harriet Crookes. Harriet was born in the Bradfield administrative area, and I have her family on the census in the Oughtibridge and Grenoside areas. I have been able to establish that Hill Top was close by Onesacre (modern post code S35 0GQ). On the census I have been able to identify Damasel Lane which is close by where they lived. The area is just west / north west of Grenoside and Ecclesfield.

Young Samuel was born at Castleton in the Hope Valley, and was moved north to the Sheffield area as a young boy with his parents and siblings. I cannot find him on the 1841 census, and I cannot find them as a newly wed couple on the 1851 census, however he said he was residing at 'Audoth' and she stated Hill Top. The tow locations cannot have been all that far from each other geographically, certainly within walking distance I'd think. My own theory is that he was living at Dodworth (pronounced localy as Dod-oth) and the recorder of the details on the certificate wrote what he thought he heard. I still haven't managed to find anything in the vicinity of Hill Top / Grenoside / Ecclesfield that is similar or a better option than Dodworth. Dodworth to Hill Top for courting purposes is about 7 miles, so a good 2 hours walk for a healthy young stallion to strut along the lanes to see his mare.

Thank you all for the input so far.

Philip
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Berkshire; Knight, Bristor, Sharpe, Sharp, Ashley.
Suffolk / Essex; Perce, Pearce, Pearse, Pierce, Hayes.
Midlands; Hodgetts, Parker, Easthope.

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Re: What does this say?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 July 17 23:10 BST (UK) »
You mention Onesacre- well, that's right next to the Hilltop that i suggest at Holdworth, and both are barely a mile from Bradfield village.

Dodworth is actually under Barnsley jurisdiction and quite a way away.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)