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Re: Loughborough look up please
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 23 July 17 13:19 BST (UK) »
A bit more:

All Saints, Loughborough - 6 May 1765 - by licence
John Watkinson and Elisabeth Willimott

Bond and Allegation state that John Watkinson is a gentleman, a widower and aged 35.  Elisabeth Willymott is a spinster aged 25.
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Re: Loughborough look up please
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 23 July 17 14:32 BST (UK) »
hmm, that doesn't fit then with the putative dob of "my" John :(
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Re: Loughborough look up please
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 23 July 17 15:25 BST (UK) »
Apologies for this, but which John Watkinson are you looking for?

In your other thread you say that your John Watkinson married Rebecca, and they had children baptised at Ashby Folville.

I can see the baptism of Mary, daughter of John and Rebecca - 11 August 1754 at Ashby Folville.

I can also see the Bond and Allegation (30 June 1753) for John Watkinson of the parish of St Martins, Leicester, a Brewer aged above 23 years, who intends to marry Rebecca Smith aged 22, also of the parish of St Martins, and the marriage is to take place at either Humberstone or Belgrave.  However, I can't see an entry for the marriage.

In this thread you are looking for John Watkinson of Loughborough, Gentleman who dies in 1778.

I'm confused - I know that that is not difficult  :)

Added:  Rebecca Watkinson is buried 11 April 1802 at St Martin, Leicester aged 72 - giving a birth year of 1730 which would match with the Allegation information.


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Re: Loughborough look up please
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 23 July 17 21:21 BST (UK) »
Sorry for causing confusion!

There are 2 John Watkinsons of interest to me.

1. is the one who married Rebecca Smith. They had (as far as I know) at least 10 children between 1754 - 1777. I believe John probably died in Leicester in 1798, you've found Rebecca's death. John and Rebecca were my 7xgt grandparents.

2. is the John Watkinson that this thread refers to; this John W, whose will I've got, lived in Loughborough and died in 1778 or 79. He was the grandson of Rev Henry Watkinson of Beeston, Notts, which means I can trace his baptism in Beeston in 1705. So he would have been 60 in 1765 -- which means he can't be the one who married Elisabeth Willamott.
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Re: Loughborough look up please
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 23 July 17 21:58 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that.  So this means that there is at least one other JW in the equation  :o
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Re: Loughborough look up please
« Reply #14 on: Monday 24 July 17 15:15 BST (UK) »
L,Boro library.


Tombstones in All saints graveyard.


105 Mary Atkinson wife of John died 24/5/1764 aged 71. Also Mary daughter of John & Mary died in infancy. Also elizabeth wife of john watkinson, gent died 28/11/1765 aged 22.


109 JOHN Watkinson, gent died 17/7/1778 aged 74.


I have photos of entries. I can get photo of graves if needed.


Also seen transcripts of above in prs to confirm.

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Re: Loughborough look up please
« Reply #15 on: Monday 24 July 17 15:26 BST (UK) »
baptism  john s/o richard watkinson & mary 21/1/1704 beeston  source Notts igi


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« Reply #16 on: Monday 24 July 17 15:30 BST (UK) »
Bap  richard watkinson s/o henry & mary 20/2/1676 beeston  source Notts  igi.


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Re: Loughborough look up please
« Reply #17 on: Monday 24 July 17 21:03 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for the grave details, diddymiller.

I am 100% confident that this is the John whose will I am investigating. He mentions his married sisters and their families, and they are all traceable, as well as his Wilmot inlaws. And reports of this daughter's subsequent marriage all mention that John was the grandson of the Rev Henry Wilkinson of Beeston.

So, John's wife Mary died in 1764 -- and from the dates, she was about 10 years older than John. A year later, John married the very much younger Elisabeth. But the bond and allegation state that John was 35 -- in fact he was 61 or 62   ::)   (he was also wealthy, maybe that helped in the search for a young wife!  8))

Elisabeth died in November that year (1775), having given birth to a daughter, also Elizabeth. (so she must have been pregnant when they married).

John died in 1778 when his daughter was actually only 13. And just a few months later, his daughter eloped to Gretna Green and married against the wishes of her guardians (she apparently had a fortune of £20000, which may have contributed to her being "snapped up"  ::)). John must have been spinning in his grave!

All very Jane Austen, don't you think!!

Sadly I can't link this John with the other JW who was definitely my ancestor, though this John was distantly linked to another part of my tree.
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