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Re: Zenegham Ammunition Store. France WW1
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 11:19 BST (UK) »
Just visited my local library and saw by chance a book which may be of interest.  Trains to the Trenches by Andrew Roden.  For what its worth.

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Re: Zenegham Ammunition Store. France WW1
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 15:11 BST (UK) »
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I think it reads no. 38 which was Calais
FWIW it looks like no. 23 = Etaples.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Zenegham Ammunition Store. France WW1
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 16:21 BST (UK) »
Chris

Pedantically, it is 704 Company Labour Corps.  They were not entirely un-diaried (is that a word?).  The Labour Battalions were organised into Labour Groups in mid 17 and so far I have found them in 70 Group in Sep 18 but not, so far, where they were before that date (work in progress).  The Groups did have diaries at Group HQ level so the possibility exists of tracking your man's general whereabouts.

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Re: Zenegham Ammunition Store. France WW1
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 20:39 BST (UK) »
jim1. My first thought was 23, the first digit is not a 1 and the second either 3, 8 or 9. The doubt I had with Etaples was the dates. June 1915 to Nov 1916 then taken over by Canadian General. Would they have admitted British Soldiers? My Grandfather was hospitalised from 7/3/17 to 17/5/17.
maxD. I will try and get a copy of Trains to the Trenches. I obtained for £10 a copy of No Labour, No Battle a very sympathetic view of the lot of the various Labour Companies. It hints of diaries kept higher up the chain for the Labour Corps.
You are correct to pull me up for the 704 Company, Labour Corps. I slip up now and then. I do wonder why on his service record it is written as 704 4 Coy.
I have been searching for ages for information on his Labour Corps. that he served in from 1st Sept 1917 to Feb 1919. Are any of the 70 group's records available to view?


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Re: Zenegham Ammunition Store. France WW1
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Re: Zenegham Ammunition Store. France WW1
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Re: Zenegham Ammunition Store. France WW1
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 21:44 BST (UK) »
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These are the Labour Group diaries http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=labour%20group&_nq1=Medal&_cr=WO&_dss=range&_ro=any&_p=1900&_st=adv  You'll note none go beyond 1917.  From what I've gleaned so far it is then the Corps HQ diaries that refer to them but in what detail I have no idea.

Each of them is available to download for £3.50 but until we track down which groups 704 Coy was in at various times (ongoing!) it will be a waste of money.

I was going to recommend the John Starling book anyway, I don't have it but you may find helpful information there?

Remember the records were written by clerks who in many cases had been hurriedly trained as such and mistakes occur often!  Even the National Archives have in the case of an officer's record headed it 704 Labour Corps showing a disregard for the hierarchy of the army which had only one Labour Corps. 

I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Re: Zenegham Ammunition Store. France WW1
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 22:13 BST (UK) »
23 FH was as you say taken over by the Canadians but would have treated anyone who needed it.
No. 23 FH may have set up again in Etaples as it was there for the duration.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Zenegham Ammunition Store. France WW1
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 22:22 BST (UK) »
maxD. Thank you. I already have them and have written a small book correlating his service record and the war diary showing each page and typing the full text. It contains a short intro with pictures of his life before conscription and maps plus images from WW1  areas he was working in from day to day. Found a great one on Pinterest of the Nissen hut camp his company built in Nov 1916 at Fricourt Wood and was billeted in from Dec 2 to Jan 10 1917. His "C" Company was assigned to the fourth Army under RCE4 from 29 Sept 1916 on the Mealte to Bazentin Rail network. Always under shell fire during his time there during and after the battle of the Somme.
Chris