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WW2 DADS ARMY RECORD
« on: Monday 24 July 17 16:55 BST (UK) »
MY FATHERS WW2 WAR RECORD HAS THIS ON AND I CANNOT DECIPHER IT
CAN ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE:

W.O.U.M 112/MISC/3828/(MPIB)

T.R.5-0-0

THANK YOU IN ANTICIPATION
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Re: WW2 DADS ARMY RECORD
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 July 17 17:30 BST (UK) »
Are you able to scan and post the relevant part of the record so that they may be seen in context.  At first sight they have the look of administrative letter references that will be of little or no importance.

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It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

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Re: WW2 DADS ARMY RECORD
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 July 17 19:24 BST (UK) »
hope this makes more sense
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Re: WW2 DADS ARMY RECORD
« Reply #3 on: Monday 24 July 17 21:41 BST (UK) »
While I can't see the column headings, this looks like a Service and Casualty Form Army Form B 103.
The first entry you query is in the column for the number of Part Two Orders or other Authority.  The part two orders are the entries that look like 24/43.  My belief is that the whole entry on the three lines that start WOUM and finish with 5/4/43 followed by a Pt 2O number is simply the reference of the letter that occasioned the posting to the RAPC.

The second is in the column for casualties (we would call them occurrences, it doesn't necessarily mean medical casualties) and I must admit to not knowing.  5-0-0 is the classic way of writing £5 5s and 5d but what it means and if it is a sum of money I can't make a connection anywhere.  It is related to the medical category and No 1 ASC on the same line, what is there above that entry?

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



Double  Essex/Suffolk
Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia


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Re: WW2 DADS ARMY RECORD
« Reply #4 on: Monday 24 July 17 21:55 BST (UK) »
While I can't see the column headings, this looks like a Service and Casualty Form Army Form B 103.
The first entry you query is in the column for the number of Part Two Orders or other Authority.  The part two orders are the entries that look like 24/43.  My belief is that the whole entry on the three lines that start WOUM and finish with 5/4/43 followed by a Pt 2O number is simply the reference of the letter that occasioned the posting to the RAPC.

The second is in the column for casualties (we would call them occurrences, it doesn't necessarily mean medical casualties) and I must admit to not knowing.  5-0-0 is the classic way of writing £5 5s and 5d but what it means and if it is a sum of money I can't make a connection anywhere.  It is related to the medical category and No 1 ASC on the same line, what is there above that entry?

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is this any better?  I do appreciate your help.
Hubble and variations, Spars, Bearryman, Murch, Valentine, Shillitoe, Root, Clark,Janssens,Wallen

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Re: WW2 DADS ARMY RECORD
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 09:26 BST (UK) »
The additional detail does perhaps clarify for you what I mentioned about a letter reference.  The authority for the top posting is another example of an administrative reference.

However, I am nowhere nearer translating the 5-0-0 I'm afraid.  Clerks didn't always put things in the correct place and it certainly doesn't look like the way any of the types of entry there should look.  You could take this to another more specialist forum (or I'd be happy to do that with your permission).

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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Re: WW2 DADS ARMY RECORD
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 09:31 BST (UK) »
The additional detail does perhaps clarify for you what I mentioned about a letter reference.  The authority for the top posting is another example of an administrative reference.
I would appreciate that thank you

However, I am nowhere nearer translating the 5-0-0 I'm afraid.  Clerks didn't always put things in the correct place and it certainly doesn't look like the way any of the types of entry there should look.  You could take this to another more specialist forum (or I'd be happy to do that with your permission).

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Re: WW2 DADS ARMY RECORD
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 09:56 BST (UK) »
You've replied with my post, no text from you, have another go  :)

Seen the reply - will do.  Back in due course.

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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Re: WW2 DADS ARMY RECORD
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 July 17 14:26 BST (UK) »
The fact that I have had no joy here or elsewhere with a sound explanation for T.R 5-0-0 is in a way good news because had it been a standard, albeit perhaps rare, entry, then someone would surely have known it given that folk who study these things know what sort of entries are made in that column on that form.
While one can find dozens of explanations for the acronym, to say nothing of the many that imaginative souls can come up with, there are none, in my experience that fit there.  My thought that this was £5 in old money doesn't make much sense either given that, depending on what converter you use, £5 would buy about £159 worth of stuff then so not a train fare (and in any event he would have been given a rail travel warrant).  The figures could represent 5 stone 0 pounds and 0 ounces or 5 days 0 hours and 0 minutes but those are just typical of what a bit of imagination can do, not serious candidates for that form.

While it looks related to the medical downgrading at No 1 ASC, a set of figures like that does not occur anywhere in the medical categorisation system anywhere  (definitive guide here http://annals.edu.sg/pdfSep01/finnegan.pdf ).

What one can be sure of is that is not related to any important development in your father's service.
 It is not a promotion/demotion/posting or any of the other events that would be recorded there.

In sum - don't know and very disappointed not to have been able to find out!  Sorry.

maxD
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



Double  Essex/Suffolk
Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia