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Neill family - British Columbia and No. Ireland
« on: Monday 24 July 17 19:32 BST (UK) »
I'm looking for my Neill's.  Recently found some of my clan in the 1901 Irish census.  Samuel (b 1842, d 1909 around Downpatrick)  and Susannah (b 1851) Neill and their children Ellen Jane (b 1876), Robert James (b 1878), David (b 1880), Alexander (b 1883), Hugh (b 1885 - my grandfather), and Edwin (b 1887).  Also found Susannah, Ellen and David still together in the 1911 census.  I know Hugh and Edwin married (Hugh married Rosannah Fitzsimons at the Strand Church in Belfast) between 1906 and 1909 and Hugh and Edwin moved to British Columbia by 1910-1911, both having had kids in Ireland.  They both disappear from British Columbia around World War I, but then Hugh and Rosa return with a few more kids.  Eventually they ended up in California. 

They were always in Northern Ireland.  I've seen the town names of Ballymoran, Ballyskeagh, Lisburn and Belfast associated with my family.  Hugh was a boot/shoe maker and Edwin was a tailor.  David was listed as a carpenter in 1901 and 1911.

I'm looking for any info about Hugh's other brothers and sisters and what happened to Edwin and his family.  It would be beyond incredible to find some long lost cousins still kicking around in Ireland.  Thanks for any help you can provide!
Sally

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Re: Neill family - British Columbia and No. Ireland
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 July 17 19:50 BST (UK) »
For reference-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Killinchy/Ballymoran/1230326 (Ballymoran is a townland not a town)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Killinchy/Ballymorran/239605

Samuel Neill-
Probate of the Will of Samuel Neill late of Ballymorran County Down Farmer who died 17 March 1909 granted at Belfast to Matthew Marshall and Alexander Neill Farmers. Will dated 13 Feb.1909 mentions son Alexander, wife Susanna, daughter Ellen Jane, sons Robert James, David, Samuel, Hugh, Edwin & daughter Isabella

Alexander Neill-
Administration of the Estate of Alexander Neill late of Ballymorran County Down Farmer who died 19 November 1910 granted at Belfast to Ellen Jane Neill Spinster.

A Robert James Neill-
Neill, Robert James of Ballymorran Killinchy county Down retired farmer died 20 November 1964 Administration Belfast 8 September to Sarah Harriet Neill the widow. Effects £1145 4s. Marriage (1920) to Sarah Carse lists father as James Neill, bootmaker

You can see the wording of Samuel Neill's Will and see other extracts for Neills of Ballymorran here-
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
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Re: Neill family - British Columbia and No. Ireland
« Reply #3 on: Monday 24 July 17 20:03 BST (UK) »
Samuel Neill (son of Samuel) married Susanna Brown (daughter of Hugh) in March 1866-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDV-TJ7 and
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNQ-6ZV

Some extracted births- you can see the actual birth certificates (free) on Irish Genealogy site-
Isabella Neill (Dec.1865) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F55X-3P2
Hugh Neill (1868) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL34-S6SZ
Samuel Neill (1869) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPNR-LRN
Alexander Neill (1872) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPBN-XD7
David Rathmore Neill (1880) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGKY-1VN
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Re: Neill family - British Columbia and No. Ireland
« Reply #4 on: Monday 24 July 17 20:25 BST (UK) »
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Re: Neill family - British Columbia and No. Ireland
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 00:11 BST (UK) »
Wow!  Thank you so much!  I never expected to learn this much so fast!  For years I've been too afraid to tackle the Irish bit, with so many records having been destroyed, and until I found Edwin in the Canadian census, the only name I had was Hugh, not exactly an uncommon name in Ireland...  This is incredible!  Thank you!  Thank you!  Thank you!!

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Re: Neill family - British Columbia and No. Ireland
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 09:53 BST (UK) »
Have sorted out a bit more-

Samuel Neill (1842-1909), son of Samuel, m.(Mar.1866) Susannah Brown (1851-aft.1911), daughter of Hugh
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDV-TJ7 and https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNQ-6ZV
Probate of the Will of Samuel Neill late of Ballymorran County Down Farmer who died 17 March 1909 granted at Belfast to Matthew Marshall and Alexander Neill Farmers. Will dated 13 Feb.1909 mentions son Alexander, wife Susanna, daughter Ellen Jane, sons Robert James, David, Samuel, Hugh, Edwin & daughter Isabella

Children: Isabella, Hugh, Samuel, Alexander, Ellen Jane, Robert, David, Alexander, Hugh, Edwin

Isabella Neill m.(1904) Richard Dickson. Can't find birth reg. but mentioned in father's Will.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10213/5717571.pdf
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Kilmood/Ballybunden_and_Kilmood/266948

1. Robert Dickson (1905)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01788/1702356.pdf
2. Samuel Dickson (1907)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01691/1671799.pdf
3. John (1910)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01586/1638380.pdf
4. Elizabeth Dickson (1912)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01495/1608152.pdf

Hugh Neill (15 Jan.1868-1871)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03458/2269584.pdf

Samuel Neill (15 Dec.1869-aft.1909)

Alexander Neill (9 July 1872-1882)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03240/2187068.pdf

Ellen Jane Neill (4 Feb.1875-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03118/2143435.pdf (Ellen)

Robert James Neill (24 Dec.1877) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02991/2096072.pdf
? m.1909 Jane Sutherland, boot merchant, Killinchy, son of Samuel, farmer https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10033/5649456.pdf


David Rathmore Neill (26 Jan.1880-3 July 1949), carpenter
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02889/2058579.pdf
Neill David of Tullymore Killinchy county Down carpenter died 3 July 1949 Administration Belfast 29 September to Edwin Neill draper.' effects £1304 11s.
Neill David of Tullymore Killinchy county Down carpenter died 3 July 1949 Probate Belfast 12 May to Edwin Neill junior fitter. Effects £1304 11s.


Alexander Neill (14 July 1882-19 Nov.1910)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1882/2018665a.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05414/4513181.pdf
Administration of the Estate of Alexander Neill late of Ballymorran County Down Farmer who died 19 November 1910 granted at Belfast to Ellen Jane Neill Spinster.
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Re: Neill family - British Columbia and No. Ireland
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 09:58 BST (UK) »
Hugh Neill (15 Nov.1884), boot/shoe maker, m.(1907) Rosa Fitzsimmons
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02673/1984832.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10095/5672849.pdf

1. Samuel Neill (23 Sept.1908)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01647/1658025.pdf

Edwin Neill (18 Apr.1887-aft.1950), tailor, m.(1909) Margaret McIlwaine
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02564/1948187.pdf (reg. as Daniel)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10022/5645597.pdf
With baby Christina (age 2) in 1911 Vancouver in household of brother Hugh- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV95-S8V7
25 July 1915 “Pretorian” arrived Glasgow from Montreal: Edwin Neill, 27, tailor’ wife Margt Neill, 27; Christina Neill, 4; Edwin Neill, 3. Going to Ballymorran.

1.   Christina Neill (1909) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01585/1637897.pdf
2.   Edwin Neill (c1911-10 Nov.1960) m. Margaret Brown. 1952- fitter
Neill, Edwin of 28 Stirling Avenue (Belfast) county Down foreman fitter died 10 November 1960 at The Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast Probate Belfast 29 March to Margaret Brown Neill the widow and Robert Marcus Clive McComb solicitor. Effects £4057 7s. 7d.
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Re: Neill family - British Columbia and No. Ireland
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 15:29 BST (UK) »
The Isabella married to Richard Dickson may be the wrong one  ???

Belfast Newsletter, 19 Feb.1940: NEILL- February 18, 1940, at the residence of her sister, Mrs. D. Flinn, Ballymorran, Killinchy, Isabella, eldest daughter of the late Samuel and Susanna Neill. Funeral from above address to-morrow (Tuesday), at 2 p.m., to illinchy Old Meeting-House Green. Deeply regretted.
Added- death certificate gives her as age 74 so born c1866

May tie in to this David Flinn-
Flinn David of Ballymorran Killinchy county Down retired farmer died 12 August 1955 at Ards Hospital Newtownards county Down Administration Belfast 11 October to Thomas D. Flinn farmer. Effects £2012 13s. 2d.
Added- death certificate gives his age as 71 (born c1884)

and is this Isabella's sister Mrs. D. Flinn?
Flynn Ellen Jane of Ballymorran county Down married woman died 17 August 1946 Probate Belfast 21 February to James Cleland and George Robert Neill farmers. Effects £788.
Added- death certificate gives age as 65 so c1881- if this is the correct Ellen then did she knock a few years off her age as her husband was a bit younger?

Northern Whig, 18 Aug.1932: NEILL- July 16, at his residence, Reedly, California, Hugh, seventh son of the late Samuel and Susanna Neill, Killinchy, Co. Down.

Added- David Flinn married 29 Dec.1919 Ellen Neill- one of the witnesses was a George R. Neill-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09693/5515576.pdf
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