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Re: Barbados and Jamaica - George James Landells of Burke & Wills infamy
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 30 July 17 09:51 BST (UK) »
Yes, please let us know what info you already have, to save Rootschatters searching.

Is this Edward BIGGAM (snr) death & burial?
http://tinyurl.com/yb6ueguk
Name: Biggam, Edward
Age: 68
Date of death: 07 Sep 1887
Registered: Hobart
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1233739
Resource RGD35/1/11 no 968
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-11p121j2k
Burial: Cornelian Bay Cemetery https://tinyurl.com/yb3f64qu
Name: Edward BIGGAM Age: 68
Date of death :   
Record no: 1B 6496
Service date: 9-Sep-1887
Last residence: NEW TOWN
Grave location -
Area or denomination: Pauper
Section: A
Site number: Number 492

and is this his wife Margaret?
Tas death: https://tinyurl.com/y7wh88bc
Name: Biggan, Margaret
Age: 61
Date of death: 26 Jul 1880
Registered: Longford
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1162417
Resource: RGD35/1/49 no 416A
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-49p113j2k



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Re: Barbados and Jamaica - George James Landells of Burke & Wills infamy
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 30 July 17 09:54 BST (UK) »
Some more births for Edward BIGGAM/BIGHAM and Margaret DOBSON

Tas birth: https://tinyurl.com/yavjkztx
Name: Biggam, Edward
Father: Biggam, Edward
Mother: Dobson, Margaret
Date of birth: 01 Jun 1844
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1106152
Resource: RGD33/1/23/ no 365
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-23-p770j2k

Tas birth: https://tinyurl.com/y99eax9c
Name: Bigham, Mary
Father: Bigham, Edward
Mother: Dobson, Margaret
Date of birth: 04 Apr 1847
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1107415
Resource: RGD33/1/23/ no 1625
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-23-p861j2k

Death: Biggam, Mary https://tinyurl.com/yagvrcfg
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-2p144j2k

Tas birth: https://tinyurl.com/ydh5du7a
Name: Bigham, Given Name Not Recorded
Gender: Male
Father: Bigham, Edward
Mother: Dobson, Margaret
Date of birth: 05 Apr 1847
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1107414
Resource: RGD33/1/23/ no 1624
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-23-p861j2k

Death: Bigham, (Male) Given Name Not Recorded https://tinyurl.com/y9884vpa
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-16p161j2k

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Re: Barbados and Jamaica - George James Landells of Burke & Wills infamy
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 30 July 17 15:29 BST (UK) »
Yes, please let us know what info you already have, to save Rootschatters searching.

Is this Edward BIGGAM (snr) death & burial?
http://tinyurl.com/yb6ueguk
Name: Biggam, Edward
Age: 68
Date of death: 07 Sep 1887
Registered: Hobart
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1233739
Resource RGD35/1/11 no 968
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-11p121j2k
Burial: Cornelian Bay Cemetery https://tinyurl.com/yb3f64qu
Name: Edward BIGGAM Age: 68
Date of death :   
Record no: 1B 6496
Service date: 9-Sep-1887
Last residence: NEW TOWN
Grave location -
Area or denomination: Pauper
Section: A
Site number: Number 492

and is this his wife Margaret?
Tas death: https://tinyurl.com/y7wh88bc
Name: Biggan, Margaret
Age: 61
Date of death: 26 Jul 1880
Registered: Longford
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1162417
Resource: RGD35/1/49 no 416A
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-49p113j2k

Look - I am very grateful for the information that you have all revealed for me - and without going into how little information I had 3-4 weeks ago, I hope that the following helps to explain that:

BIGGAM is not a name that I have ever seen. Those relationships are entirely new to me - and I haven't yet digested that information.

From Margaret Isabella Morris Landells KEATING's letter, and from Len Meeny's information supplied to DIG website, I knew that George James Landells had father George and relatives with army service. I also knew of a Caribbean connection - and I had discovered meagre information of the birth of 2 children of George and Margaret - parents of GJ Landells.
From her married name, Keating, I discovered the marriage in Victoria and the death of both Margaret and her husband Edward Patrick also in Victoria - with parents named.
Much of the additional information I have has been revealed to me here at RootsChat in the Research in Other Countries - JAMAICA section, under the very similar Subject as this one.
That thread was started in the hope for help in discovering the Barbados or Jamaica history of the family - if you examine that thread, you will see that a Landells sister married to a MARRACK led some very helpful RootsChat researchers to uncover their flight after Marrack's financial problems in Bendigo, with most of that family residing in San Francisco.   
The presence of two other siblings in Australia I discovered just a few days ago, and was surprised that they had arrived at such young age and apparently - from the admission to a workhouse, the family circumstances were in poor shape.
Having the many siblings of GJ Landells actually in Australia - revealed to me by help here, and my own efforts - I thought it best to concentrate on Australia; hence this present thread.

My direct family connection to LANDELLS is to the Reverend William Burns LANDELLS, who arrived in Australia in 1852 from Alnwick, Northumberland. He lived in Melbourne, then in Geelong - as an Independent clergyman since Northumberland and converting to Baptism in Australia, dying in Geelong in 1871.
There has been a family "rumour" that George James Landells was perhaps related to that family - and reported in two other branches of the WB Landells tree that Rev WB Landells did also wonder about this but could not get to meet GJ Landells at the time of the Exploring Expedition's departure from Melbourne.
Len Meeny has researched WB Landells' brother Adam Landells (also in Australia, Victoria, Geelong) and assures me that that connection does NOT exist, from his investigations. But 19th and 20th century information from 3 different offshoots from the Alnwick Landells has the story of a brother who left home and was never traced, in the early 1800's. Perhaps a half-brother, is the suppositions.
That is why I have an interest in George James Landells - and know so little. And because the B&W Exploring Expedition was such a tragic failure, with aspersions caste on reputations of not just the explorers and Landells but the organizing Committee - I am interested.

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Re: Barbados and Jamaica - George James Landells of Burke & Wills infamy
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 30 July 17 16:23 BST (UK) »
Yes, as in my initial post - that is where all my information for George James Landells came from.

As per your 'initial post' I can't see where you have mentioned the website I have provided. In fact you have said that "I am entirely reliant on the information at the SLV". The site I provided is not related to the SLV.

Jamjar

That website acknowledges that the information about George James Landells came from Len Meeny. Len supplied the same information to DIG and SLV websites (and he is acknowledged there), and I have talked to and corresponded with Len during the last year. 
But you are correct - my initial post did not mention that specific website.  Sorry.


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Re: Barbados and Jamaica - George James Landells of Burke & Wills infamy
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 30 July 17 22:57 BST (UK) »

 
BIGGAM is not a name that I have ever seen. Those relationships are entirely new to me - and I haven't yet digested that information.

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The fact the name BIGGAM is not familiar to you is really not pertinent. BIGGAM was, in fact her maiden name. You now have a lot of information about the family of the wife of George LANDELLS as you requested.

May I offer suggestions for your future inquiries-

List quite specifically what you do need to discover in a search. This is often the way to success in the forum.
 
Take the time to absorb and information offered before replying. It builds a clearer picture for all  involved.

Linking other relevant threads to the body of more recent inquiries is also courteous and helpful.
 
Such simple steps will reduce frustration for all concerned as well as save time on repeated lengthy research.

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Re: Barbados and Jamaica - George James Landells of Burke & Wills infamy
« Reply #33 on: Monday 31 July 17 02:00 BST (UK) »
This looks like the death of Jane Odlum GULLICK (nee BIGGAM)
Name: Gullick, Jane http://tinyurl.com/y9yllpwz
Age: 46
Date of death: 26 Feb 1897
Registered: Longford
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1216874
Resource: RGD35/1/66 no 367
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-66p145j2k

Death of her George? http://tinyurl.com/y96cgehl
Name: Gullick, George
Age: 31
Date of death: 01 Nov 1886
Registered: Beaconsfield
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1169580
Resource: RGD35/1/55 no 480
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-55p48j2k


Tas births of their children:
Name: Gullick, (Male) Given Name Not Recorded http://tinyurl.com/yb22hzmn
Father: Gullick, George Andrew
Mother: Biggem, Jane
Date of birth: 10 Feb 1877
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1024067
Resource: RGD33/1/55 no 2761
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-55p171j2k

Name: Gullick, Johnes George http://tinyurl.com/ycsex77r
Father: Gullick, George Andrew
Mother: Biggam, Jane Odlem
Date of birth: 16 Sep 1879
Registered: Launceston
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1029438
Resource: RGD33/1/57 no 365
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-57p794j2k

Name: Gullick, Godwin Henry http://tinyurl.com/ybhse56e
Father: Gullick, George
Mother: Biggam, Jane
Date of birth: 04 Jun 1883
Registered: George Town
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1121571
Resource: RGD33/1/62 no 917
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-62p603j2k
Death: http://tinyurl.com/ybl26jme
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-53p47j2k

Name: Gullick, Bertie James http://tinyurl.com/y8qjr663
Father: Gullick, George
Mother: Bigham, Jane
Date of birth: 17 Jan 1885
Registered: Beaconsfield
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1041608
Resource: RGD33/1/64 no 753
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-64p534j2k
Death: http://tinyurl.com/y8mgssm3
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-54p42j2k

Name: Gullick, Amy Jane http://tinyurl.com/yadp5at3
Father: Gullick, George Arthur
Mother: Briggam, Jane
Date of birth: 27 Feb 1886
Registered: Beaconsfield
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1124303
Resource: RGD33/1/65 no 745
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-65p096j2k

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Re: Barbados and Jamaica - George James Landells of Burke & Wills infamy
« Reply #34 on: Monday 31 July 17 02:55 BST (UK) »
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I am interested in knowing for sure some accurate information about a some-time member of the expedition who may or may not be related to my Landells lineage - George James LANDELLS.

Specifically: the family particulars (names and details of relatives, his and his father's, uncle's, grandfather's British Army service in the Caribbean and India, and where GJ Landells was born, lived, and also details about his wife Elizabeth Rosa).

George James LANDELLS / LANDELS, who was commissioned to supply camels for the Burke and Wills  Exploring Expedition, was at first second-in-command of the expedition until an argument with Burke after a short time. Landells resigned or was sacked by Burke, and did not proceed beyond the colony of Victoria. .... After the disastrous end to that venture, Landells' reputation was ..... defended by one of his sisters living in Bendigo. It makes interesting reading.
.....
The vital information that I have for LANDELLS comes from the SLV and from some newspaper articles from the time (NLA scans, at "Trove").

About GJ Landells, the bare information that I have collected - not well verified -

George James Landells, b. 5 Feb 1825, Barbados, West Indies; d. 4 Dec 1871, Rawal Pindi, Bengal, India

His wife was Elizabeth Rosa (no surname, dates or place of birth or death, and no marriage date for them).
......
Under a similar Topic, I have gained valuable insights about some of GJ LANDELLS' siblings and their families - but so far, none about the (controversial) man himself.
and
[..... My direct family connection to LANDELLS is to the Reverend William Burns LANDELLS, who arrived in Australia in 1852 from Alnwick, Northumberland. He lived in Melbourne, then in Geelong - as an Independent clergyman since Northumberland and converting to Baptism in Australia, dying in Geelong in 1871.
There has been a family "rumour" that George James Landells was perhaps related to that family - and reported in two other branches of the WB Landells tree that Rev WB Landells did also wonder about this but could not get to meet GJ Landells at the time of the Exploring Expedition's departure from Melbourne.
Len Meeny has researched WB Landells' brother Adam Landells (also in Australia, Victoria, Geelong) and assures me that that connection does NOT exist, from his investigations. But 19th and 20th century information from 3 different offshoots from the Alnwick Landells has the story of a brother who left home and was never traced, in the early 1800's. Perhaps a half-brother, is the suppositions.
That is why I have an interest in George James Landells - and know so little. And because the B&W Exploring Expedition was such a tragic failure, with aspersions caste on reputations of not just the explorers and Landells but the organizing Committee - I am interested.

Back in Sept 1982 a family history group's magazine for its members featured an article by a descendant of a James LANDELLS, noting he had twice married (first to Evrace SCOTT), and that a son from the first marriage was named George and further the writer knew about that George 'nothing except that it is quite likely he is the father of George James LANDELLS who was connected with the famous Burke and Wills, of Australia'. 
 
The writer details the second marriage, and shows that TWO sons of the second marriage, as adults, came to Australia with their families:   
Adam LANDELLS, born 14 Jan 1813 married Margaret DOUGLAS at Gretna Green 9 March 1832,  They and their children arrived South Australia 1850 and soon afterwards walked overland to Melbourne.
William Burn(s) LANDELLS and his wife Sarah RICHARDSON and children arrived per the Douglas on Christmas Day 1852 and settled around Geelong. 

Here is a link to the pdf

http://www.ndfhs.org/pdfs/Vol-7-No-4.pdf 
The Journal of the Northunberland & Durham Family History Society, Vol 7,  No. 4, September 1982,  pp 94-5. 

1982 - that's before family history became such a popular hobby, and long before the internet  ::)  ::)  :)

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« Reply #35 on: Monday 31 July 17 03:05 BST (UK) »
The information in my posts is provided for academic and non-commercial research purposes. 
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