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Offline LisaReidWest

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John Gray Reid born in Kinfauns, Perthshire
« on: Saturday 29 July 17 20:43 BST (UK) »
My great, great, great grandfather John Gray Reid born in 1825 in Kinfauns, Perthshire. I am having a hard time finding his parents. John married Anne Morrison b. in 1829 somewhere in the Perthshire area. They left for Ontario, Canada sometime around the 1850 time range. If anyone can help with lineage for either of them.

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Lisa Reid West

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Re: John Gray Reid born in Kinfauns, Perthshire
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 July 17 22:14 BST (UK) »
John Morrison and Ann Reid seem to have married sometime in 1848. You will find entries (which will be banns rather than the actual marriage) for Ann Morrison in the Parish of Errol under the date of 20 May 1848 and for John Reid in the Parish of Kinfauns under the date of 2 June 1848. You can buy credits on ScotlandsPeople and view the entries in the Parish Registers which should give you a bit more information about the couple. It looks, however, as if Ann was from (or at least resident in) the Parish of Errol at the time. I am not familiar with the Old Parochial Registers in that county, so there may not be much more than a statement of John's occupation and residence at the time, but you may be lucky and it may give at least one of his parents. Similarly with Ann. When you then try to locate the two individuals in the 1841 Census you must, when looking for an Ann Morrison, also search under the variant form of the surname - Morison - and Ried / Reed as the semi-literate enumerator might have recorded him.

Extracted entries on IGI show the birth (13 Oct 1825) and christening (23 October 1825) in the Parish of Kinfauns of a John Gray Reid to a John Reid and Janet Macarthur. You will be able to view the original entry in the Old Parochial Registers online also on ScotlandsPeople. Middle names were not common at that time, so you are lucky that your John had a middle name and you can be virtually certain that this entry is your John - but always back that up with additional proof from as many other sources as possible. Ann Morrison, however, is not a sufficiently distinctive name, and any Ann Morrison you find in the baptismal registers is not necessarily going to be your Ann. There was no requirement for people to register the birth (/baptism) of their child before the introduction of civil registration in Scotland (1855) and the baptisms that can be found in the old registers represent just a portion of the births in each parish in any year. There will be plenty of people who did not have their children baptised. That said, however, IGI shows an Ann Morrison born 9 October 1829 and baptised 29 Nov 1829 in the Parish of Errol to a James Morrison and Ann Jack. That -may- be your Ann but it may not be. If it is, that would make her marrying aged 18, coming up for 19, depending on when the actual marriage took place.

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Re: John Gray Reid born in Kinfauns, Perthshire
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 July 17 22:24 BST (UK) »
This is from the IGI

Name:     John Gray Reid
Christening: 23 Oct 1825, KINFAUNS, PERTH, SCOTLAND
Birth:     13 Oct 1825
Father:     John Reid
Mother:     Janet Mcarthur

Name:   John Reid
Spouse:   Ann Morrison
Event:   20 May 1848, Errol, Perth, Scotland

Name:   John Reid
Spouse:   Ann Morrison
Event:   02 Jun 1848, Kinfauns, Perth, Scotland
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Re: John Gray Reid born in Kinfauns, Perthshire
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 July 17 22:35 BST (UK) »
Also from the IGI

Name:   John Reid
Spouse:   Janet Mcarthur
Event:   03 Nov 1816, Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland

Name   Margaret Reid
Birth:   05 Jan 1822, KINFAUNS, PERTH, SCOTLAND
Father:   John Reid
Mother:   Janet Mcarthur

Name:   John Gray Reid
Christening:   23 Oct 1825, KINFAUNS, PERTH, SCOTLAND
Birth:   13 Oct 1825
Father:   John Reid
Mother:   Janet Mcarthur

Name   James Reid
Christening:   07 Dec 1828, KINFAUNS, PERTH, SCOTLAND
Birth:   23 Nov 1828
Father:   John Reid
Mother:   Janet Mcarthur
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Re: John Gray Reid born in Kinfauns, Perthshire
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 July 17 22:44 BST (UK) »
Name:   John Reid
Spouse:   Ann Morrison
Event:   02 Jun 1848,Kinfauns, Perth, Scotland

Name:       James Reid
Christening:  23 Apr 1849, KINFAUNS, PERTH, SCOTLAND
Birth:      25 Mar 1849
Father:      John Reid
Mother:      Ann Morrison

Name   :          William Reid
Christening:  14 Apr 1850, KINFAUNS, PERTH, SCOTLAND
Birth:      30 Mar 1850
Father:      John Reid
Mother:      Ann Morrison
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Re: John Gray Reid born in Kinfauns, Perthshire
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 July 17 23:33 BST (UK) »
In the OPR (deaths) in ScotlandsPeople there are 5 of the Reid name in Kinfauns.
The first one looks like the father John Reid and the last looks like the mother Janet.
Perhaps the rest are their bairns.
REID   JOHN      JANET MCARTHUR                           64   13/08/1849   Kinfauns   
REID   WILLIAM   -----                                              16/06/1842   Kinfauns   
REID   CHRISTIAN     JOHN REID / JANET MC ARTHUR 25   14/02/1845   Kinfauns   
REID   MARGARET   CLARK / JAMES CLARK            27   03/09/1849   Kinfauns   
REID   JANET   MCARTHUR / JOHN REID            55   09/06/1850   Kinfauns   

I have the pre-1855 Monumental Inscriptions for Kinfauns and there are none of the Reid name in it.
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Re: John Gray Reid born in Kinfauns, Perthshire
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 30 July 17 00:21 BST (UK) »
May come in handy later (showing the name still being around in 1925...

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=135765049

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: John Gray Reid born in Kinfauns, Perthshire
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 30 July 17 08:05 BST (UK) »
These are the Reid names in Kinfauns in the 1841 census

1841 census: Place: Kinfauns –Perth: Address: Kinfauns Tower

REED    John    50    Wood Forrester         Perth            
REED    Janet    40                    Perth                
REED   James    12                    Perth                
MCGREGOR   John    18   Wood Forrester    Perth            

1841 census: Place: Kinfauns -Perth Address: East Gate
RIED    John        M   35    Coach Man        Perth                
RIED   Cristian     F   35               Perth

1841 census: Place: Kinfauns –Perth: Address: -
DALL    Christain    F    20       Perth            
DALL    Ann       F   2       Perth            
DALL    John       M   14d      Perth            
REID    Magrate   F    18       Female Servant        Perth         

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Re: John Gray Reid born in Kinfauns, Perthshire
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 30 July 17 08:33 BST (UK) »
According to ScotlandsPeople there were four births of the Reid name in Kinfauns from 1855-1900 but no marriages and no deaths.
   
REID   THOMAS WATSON G   M   1864   366/ 18   Kinfauns   
REID   JOHN JAMES   M   1869   366/ 10   Kinfauns   
REID   LOUISE SARAH   F   1872   366/ 1   Kinfauns   
REID   ELIZABETH   F   1873   366/ 11   Kinfauns   
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