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Offline MarMnkly

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Johan born Germany c 1792
« on: Saturday 05 August 17 12:27 BST (UK) »
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I have a marriage entry for an ancestor who later is known as John Stonebrook born Germany, and who is listed by the minister as Johan Stohnbrock at his marriage in 1834.
Please can I have help deciphering his signature - on the attached image, as I cannot find the surname Stohnbrock anywhere in Ancestry of Familysearch?
Many thanks
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Re: Johan born Germany c 1792
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 August 17 13:46 BST (UK) »
Hello Mar,

I had a look at Johan´s signature and it looks as though the name may be Stosnbruck.   I live in Germany and my german husband thinks too that it could be right.  The ´h´looks like an old german ´s´and the o in the latter part is a u.
Hope this has helped you.

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Re: Johan born Germany c 1792
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 05 August 17 14:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks Eileen for your advice,
this one is a bit of a mystery as no names come up either with the spelling Stosnbruck
I'm not sure what to make of his name as the 'h' in the middle of Johan (which looks like an s) looks the same as the letter in the middle of his surname?
The thought crosses my mind that maybe he made up his surname, or spelled it phonetically in German???
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Re: Johan born Germany c 1792
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 August 17 11:14 BST (UK) »
Hello Mar,

looks more like a translation from the German name Steinbrück,Steinbrueck, Steinbruck or Steinbrock.


Hope this helps, regards Peonie


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Re: Johan born Germany c 1792
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 August 17 09:27 BST (UK) »
The surname is written Stohnbruck. A name which does not appear in any online records that I can find.

As Peonie suggests, has he written the English word 'stone' as a German who didn't speak English might write it, i.e. 'Stohn'.

I'd say that his real name was Steinbrück or Steinbruck, the former being widespread in Germany today.


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Re: Johan born Germany c 1792
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Re: Johan born Germany c 1792
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 August 17 14:29 BST (UK) »
Hello again and thank you for all your replies. it would seem likely that his spelling is an attempt to phonetically spell Stonebrook in German (Stohnbrock), and that his real surname is still not clear, but probably one of those suggested.
Garstonite - yes this is his marriage at aged 42 and he says he is a widow when he marries Mary Attwood on 10 October 1834.
One thing this has just brought to light though, is that there is another marriage listed in quarter 4 of 1849 for Johan Stohnbrock (Bethnal Green); on the same page is also Mary Attwood, so I'm not sure what's going on here?
I need to post a request to see if someone has the actual image of this marriage
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Re: Johan born Germany c 1792
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 08 August 17 14:46 BST (UK) »
There's a marriage 7 Nov 1814 at St Dunstan & All Saints Stepney for John Stonebrook of MEOT batchelor and Ann Austin of same.
There's a definite similarity between the 'Johan St....' in the signature of John Stonebrook and that on the 1834 marriage entry.

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Re: Johan born Germany c 1792
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 08 August 17 15:25 BST (UK) »
I can see what you mean sugarbakers
I will look for a death of Ann Stonebrook
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