Richard Percy CHANDLER and his children

[Helen13]

Hi
Richard Percy Chandler is born about 1863 according to the censuses ( 1881 - 1911). He gives his birthplace as St Martins. However I can not find his birth registered.
I think I have found his death in 1922 in Croydon, London aged 59.

It appears that Richard had many children.
He married twice.
First to Margaret KILEY in 1879 and appears to have 6 children - Edward (1881), Richard (1885), David (1887), Margaret (1889), Mary Ann (1891) and William (1893).
His first wife Margaret died in 1895.

In 1900 he married Phoebe Isabella RICE. From the census it appears that they have the following children:
Bessie Phoebe (1902) who married I think to Frederick G CONNOLLY
Mildred Edna (1904)  who married I think to Dudley C CARTER
Percy John (1907)             not sure what happened to him
Lucy Phoebe (1910)  who married I think to George R W  GAMMON

If I am correct I have traced Bessie and Lucy. However I have lost Mildred and Percy.

My other puzzle is that after 1911 there are four more children born in Croydon with RICE as their mothers maiden name as RICE.

The son and one of the daughters appear to die aged 4 and 3.
The other daughters are born in 1916 and 1921.

Is there any way to confirm that they are Richard and Phoebe CHANDLERs children besides getting a certificate?

Phoebe CHANDLER died in 1969.

Thank you for you time and any help would be most appreciated in checking for Richard's birth and his children.

Many thanks
Helen

[Milliepede]

Have you got either of his marriages with name of his father or witnesses that could be relations?

If he was born 1863 he was young to have married in 1879. 

[Helen13]

Hi
I do not have either of the Marriages. However I have it written down that his first marriage to Margaret KILEY was in St Martins as well.

I think that Richard is born before 1863, however except for one census his birth year is always given as 1863. The other year is 1861.

Thank you for your reply
Helen

[rosie99]

His marriage to Margaret Kiley gives him of full age and Margaret as a minor.  Richards father was David and Margaret's Edward.  No middle name given for Richard

[Milliepede]

Thanks Helen.

It's interesting the middle name Percy doesn't seem to pop up before 1911. 

I can't find a birth record for him either I'm afraid.  There is a Richard Chandler on census before 1881 but without any other family evidence to check no knowing if that is your man or not 

If the marriages aren't online then maybe someone could look one up for you to see if there is more information that might help trace him back 

PS Thanks Rosie!

[Helen13]

Hi Milliepede and Rosie

Thank you for both your replies. I will look at it later as I need to go to bed.

Thank you for looking for his birth and marriage.

As to the last children mentioned, would they be Richards children ?

Thanks Helen

[rosie99]

The 1921 female birth seems to be living with Phoebe in 1939 register Free search 

If he died in 1922 then it does look as though they are Richard & Phoebes children

From deceased online
Chandler Richard
burial date 23 February 1922
location Merton

[rosie99]

Possibly Percy J

Deaths Jun 1911   
Chandler    Percy J   age  4   
Epsom    2a   16

Epsom RD covers this area which is adjacent to where they were living
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/epsom.html

[Jomot]

At his marriage to Margaret both give their address as 2 Great White Lion Street.

My knowledge of London streets isn't up to much, but in 1871 in Little White Lion Street there is a Richard Chandler aged 10:

Sarah Chandler 33 Head Widow  b London, Saleswoman 
Richard Chandler 10 Son  b Lambeth, Surrey