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Mansfield marriage 1853 (SPENCER - WASS)
« on: Sunday 06 August 17 12:24 BST (UK) »
I have a transcription for a marriage at SS Peter & Paul's Church, Mansfield on April 11th 1853 between Thomas SPENCER and Dinah WASS. Short of obtaining the actual marriage certificate, are there any parish records which would indicate who their respective fathers were.

I believe that there was one son born the following year named Joseph, and that Thomas probably died prior to the census of 1861.

Many thanks

Alan
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Re: Mansfield marriage 1853 (SPENCER - WASS)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 August 17 12:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Alan,

Nottingham archives will have the Church copy of the marriage on fiche which will be the same as the certificate so if you are able to wait I can get a copy for you when I'm next in the archives sometime over the next two weeks.

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Re: Mansfield marriage 1853 (SPENCER - WASS)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 August 17 12:40 BST (UK) »
Is this Dinah & family in 1861?

Class: RG09; Piece: 2425; Folio: 72; Page 22
Church Hill, South Normanton, Derbyshire

Spencer, Dinah  Head  Widow  F  67  b South Normanton
Wass, William  Son  M  30  b Alfreton
Wass, Mary  Daughter  F  18  b Alfreton
Spencer, Joseph  Son  M  7  b South Normanton
Bingham, James  Son-in-Law  M  31  b Pinxton, Derbyshire
Bingham, Eliza  Daughter  F  24  b Alfreton
Bingham, William  Boarder  M  28  b South Normanton
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Re: Mansfield marriage 1853 (SPENCER - WASS)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 August 17 13:11 BST (UK) »
Many thanks NG. Yes I am happy to wait for the information.

Hi KG: For some reason I missed that 1861 census. Yes, that is the family concerned. That confirms for me the lineage of Dinah and that she was a widow when she married Thomas Spencer. It is still of interest to see who Thomas Spencer belonged to. My strong suspicion is that he was her dead husband's nephew.

Alan 
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Re: Mansfield marriage 1853 (SPENCER - WASS)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 August 17 13:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Alan,

Possible Death Reg Gro Index;
SPENCER, THOMAS , age 51
GRO Reference: 1857  S Quarter in OF MANSFIELD  Volume 07B  Page 31

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Re: Mansfield marriage 1853 (SPENCER - WASS)
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 August 17 13:50 BST (UK) »
I'm a bit confused.
Wasnt Dinahs 1st Husband Ralph Wass who she married 1833?
Dinah was nee Moaks.

1851 we have;
Dinah Wass, 38
E Wass, 11
W Wass, 9
M Wass, 5
R Wass, 1

1841 Census
Ralph Wass, 35
Dinah Wass, 25
Ann Wass, 7
Hannah Wass, 6
Eliza Wass, 4
Elizabeth Wass, 2
William Wass, 4 mths

So second Husband was born about same time as 1st Husband. Cant see a Spencer connection to Ralph?

AAaah;

1851 Census
South Normanton, Derbyshire

Thomas Spencer 45
Ann Spencer, 40, born South Normanton****
John Spencer, 20
Thomas Spencer, 14
Wm Spencer, 13
Ann Spencer, 2

Marriage;
9 Feb 1830, South Normanton, Derbyshire
Thomas SPENCER to Ann WASS
Witnesses Joseph Wass and Mary Smedley
(FreeREG)

An ANN Wass Christened 4 May 1810 South Normanton to WILLIAM/ANN
(Familysearh.Org)

   
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Re: Mansfield marriage 1853 (SPENCER - WASS)
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 August 17 14:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Trish

That's my reasoning entirely.

I'm even intrigued by who she was living with in 1881 and 1891 (a deaf mute named John Ball Kyte). Dinah Died in 1895. In so much of this everyone is related to everyone else!! (or so it seems!!)

Alan

 
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Re: Mansfield marriage 1853 (SPENCER - WASS)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 August 17 14:13 BST (UK) »
The Thomas Spencer who died in 1857 would be the Thomas in question's father - and the husband of Ann Wass

Alan
Leicester / Northampton: Craxford,  Claypole, Pridmore, Pollard, Tansley, Crane, Tilley
Derby: Naylor, Ball, Haywood
Buckinghamshire: Cook
London: Craxford, Lane Crauford
Tyneside: Nessworthy, Simpson
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You will understand this when I tell you that I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic globule."
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Re: Mansfield marriage 1853 (SPENCER - WASS)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 August 17 14:15 BST (UK) »
Lots of Wass's around :D
Small places in those days I would think.

Do you have Dinah her as the Daughter of William/Ann Moaks (Ann nee Robinson) who married 6 Feb 1809?

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