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SOUNESS Agnes nee Robertson:when & where did she die?.......
« on: Tuesday 08 August 17 07:08 BST (UK) »
This topic has become part of the following and so for clarity I have split it off:

See reply # 53  @

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=776191.45

A marriage has been found for an Agnes Souness-

1894/1695 Agnes Souness to John Thomson

However, is this the Agnes Souness born-

1869/35380   Souness   Agnes   Agnes   John

Or is it the remarriage of her mother of the same name?

[Her mother was born in Edinburgh, date of birth unknown but her sister Jane Dickson Robertson was born in Edinburgh in 1838. Parents:Peter Robertson & Catherine nee Dickson.

Hoping you can help find Agnes (the mother's) death......

Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: SOUNESS Agnes nee Robertson:when & where did she die?.......
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 August 17 10:25 BST (UK) »

From an online source: " The ship "Jura" arrived into Port Chalmers, Dunedin 23rd Sept, 1858, on passenger list were: William & Mrs. Robertson, plus 8 children, also listed separately were Miss Agnes Robertson, who later married John Souness 11.9.1863, Dunedin, and Miss Jane Robertson who married James Curle, 30th March, 1860, Dunedin.NZ".

The passenger list

http://www.immigrantships.net/v2/1800v2/jura18580923.html

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Re: SOUNESS Agnes nee Robertson:when & where did she die?.......
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 August 17 10:55 BST (UK) »
This looks like the family in the 1841 census from FreeCEN,making Agness 2 years younger than Jane

1841 Census
    
Piece: SCT1841/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: St Cuthbert's Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 4 Page: 1
Address: 87 Pleasance

Surname       First name(s)   Sex   Age    Occupation       Where Born    Remarks   
 ROBERTSON    Peter       M    35    Joiner Journeyman     Outside Census County (1841)           
 ROBERTSON    Cathrane       F    30               Midlothian           
 ROBERTSON    Jane               F    3               Midlothian           
 ROBERTSON    Agness           F    1               Midlothian           
 PENMAN       Jane               F    55               Midlothian           
    
Peter is a widower in 1851

1851 Census
    
Piece: SCT1851/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Barony Of Canongate
Folio: 699 Page: 15 Schedule: 76
Address: 17 Arthur Street

 Surname    First name(s)    Rel    Status    Sex    Age    Occupation     Where Born   
 ROBERTSON   Peter       Head    W       M    47    Joiner Journ    Berwickshire - Coldingham           
 ROBERTSON    Jane       Dau       -    F    13                Midlothian -Edinburgh           
 ROBERTSON    Agnes    Dau       -    F    11       Scholar Midlothian - Edinburgh           
ROBERTSON    James    Son       -    M    9       Scholar Midlothian - Edinburgh           
 ROBERTSON    Isabella    Dau       -    F    7       Scholar Midlothian - Edinburgh           
 ROBERTSON    Robert D    Son       -    M    4            Midlothian - Edinburgh       

Cheers Janette    
    

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Re: SOUNESS Agnes nee Robertson:when & where did she die?.......
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 August 17 19:43 BST (UK) »
Hello Janette,

Yes, that is the correct family..... :)


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: SOUNESS Agnes nee Robertson:when & where did she die?.......
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 August 17 19:52 BST (UK) »

A marriage has been found for an Agnes Souness-

1894/1695 Agnes Souness to John Thomson

Or is it the remarriage of her mother of the same name?   
No, although her mother did re-marry .... see below.

[Her mother was born in Edinburgh, date of birth unknown but her sister Jane Dickson Robertson was born in Edinburgh in 1838. Parents:Peter Robertson & Catherine nee Dickson.

Hoping you can help find Agnes (the mother's) death......

Minniehaha.

Presbyterian Marriages - Otago :
Blueskin - Merton Parish (Waititi) - on 8 June 1883

SOUNESS - Agnes, nee ROBERTSON - 42 yrs   ' 77  (as written in index ?)
SARGISON - William
SARGISON - William - 32 yrs -- Mrs SOUNESS

[Same Parish > on 4 October 1892 > Catherine SOUNESS - 25 yrs to Robert THOMSON - 26 yrs
NZSG Marriages has > Catherine Dickson SOUNESS to Robert THOMSON ].
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Death Notice - Agnes SARGISON
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19250713.2.24

1928 Clutha e/roll

THOMSON - Catherine Dickson - married
THOMSON - Robert  - engine drive  .... both at Union Street, Milton
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Otago Early Settlers Association

Mrs Agnes SARGISON, Milton, late Waitati (85) - "JURA" 1858

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19250715.2.104

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Burial Register --   Waitati  :  Blueskin
508.  SARGISON - Agnes --  Block 3 Plot 1 -- domestic of Milton - died 12 July 1925 aged 86 yrs - old age.

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Re: SOUNESS Agnes nee Robertson:when & where did she die?.......
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 August 17 20:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you Lu, you have solved it......... :)

Part quote:

SOUNESS - Agnes, nee ROBERTSON - 42 yrs   ' 77  (as written in index ?)

'77 I believe refers to Agnes being widowed that year.


Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: SOUNESS Agnes nee Robertson:when & where did she die?.......
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 August 17 20:17 BST (UK) »
And the reason we could not find the marriage on NZ BDM......

1883/1452     Agnes   Soumess   William   Sargison


Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: SOUNESS Agnes nee Robertson:when & where did she die?.......
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 August 17 01:50 BST (UK) »
With reference to Agnes the second's marriage in 1894, there is a John Thomson who dies in a railway accident in 1900. You will find the inquest details in Papers Past.

His death notice has wife of Agnes:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19001031.2.107?query=%22Agnes%20Thomson%22

http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=104387&type=Burial

There are two births on NZBM to an Agnes and John 1895 and 1897.

Is there a possibility that John and Catherine's husband were brothers? Both were railway employees and both from Scotland. Both had son's George, if the above Agnes is correct.

If John is the correct husband, then it is likely the Agnes remarried, given her young age.

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Re: SOUNESS Agnes nee Robertson:when & where did she die?.......
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 09 August 17 01:55 BST (UK) »
Mm, the birth of the George to Agnes and John, looks to be mother Agnes Johnson:

https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/7250653

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