Elizabeth Wilson (nee Spence)

[MonicaL]

The abbreviation for Richard Noble is Govn. He looks to have been the Governor of the Peterhead Poorhouse on the 1891 census. This is where Elizabeth died from her death cert. He was the informant to her death.

Monica

[themonkeymonkey]

Thank you i even tried with magnifying glass and couldn't read it right!

[MonicaL]

Just wanted to add a further census entry for the Alexander Wilson born in Deskford c. 1820s that we have been discussing earlier.  One addditional entry from 1871:

Living with the Hay family at 15 Duff St, Inverness is an Alexander Wilson, 51, labourer born in Deskford.

Wonder if he showed as married? I lose him after this year...

Monica

[Millmoor]

Thanks for posting the death cert. for Elizabeth Wilson. I note that her father's occupation is given as shipmaster which would certainly accord with a birth in Banff.

Clearly Richard Noble must have been given the information re her parentage - it is sometimes the case that deaths in institutions have the parents left blank as the informant simply did not have the information. I, therefore, wonder if Poor Law records  still exist for Peterhead  eg admission records ( This is not a topic I know a great deal about - perhaps Forfarian or Monica might have some ideas on this).

As Monica said earlier a lot of the Scottish OPRs have not survived. For what it is worth my opinion is that the Keith birth for Elizabeth is unlikely to be the correct one.

William

[themonkeymonkey]

Thank you Millmoor, I will ask Family History Society of Buchan if they know of any admission records still in existence, thanks.

[MonicaL]

Some guidance here www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/education_learning/local_history/archives/loc_poorreliefrecords.asp

....Similarly, no records are held for any of the city poor houses, though some records for Peterhead Poor House are held....

Monica

[Fordyce]

themonkeymonkey, first check out www.workhouses.org.uk/Peterhead

That'll confirm the boss of the poorhouse, and you'll see there that Aberdeen City Archives have the admission records (for which you can purchase copies):
PD2/PH/2/1
Register of Inmates, 3May1861 - 5Jun1900, with admission date, name, designation (cook, spinster, imbecile), religion, parish chargeable, reason for removal (adopted, died) and date.
PD2/PH/3
Admissions Register (14May1875 - 11Dec1929),
Register of Inmates (3May1861 - 25May1964),

Elizabeth Spence was presumably sent there by her son.

Now, here's some more good news!

I found Alexander Wilson in 1881. Note he declares himself a Widower.
   Dwelling:   3 Rose Street North Side
   Census Place:   Inverness, Inverness, Scotland
   Source:   FHL Film 0203421     GRO Ref    Volume 098    EnumDist 7    Page 44
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
James MACBAIN   M   73    M   Ashton, Inverness, Scotland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Labourer In Iron Works
Ellen MACBAIN   M   68    F   Beauly, Inverness, Scotland
   Rel:   Wife
   Occ:   Wife
Sarah MACBAIN   U   36    F   Dochgarroch, Inverness, Scotland
   Rel:   Daughter
   Occ:   Domestic Servant Cook
Elizabeth MACBAIN       16    F   Fort Augustus, Inverness, Scotland
   Rel:   Grand Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
Jane PATERSON       60    F   Redcastle, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
   Rel:   Sister In Law
   Occ:   Fishmonger
Alexander WILSON   W   65    F   Dyseort, Banff, Scotland
   Rel:   Boarder
   Occ:   General Labourer

And this is his death - proven with certainty:
WILSON ALEXANDER 62 1888 098/ 303 Inverness
Sadly he was knocked down by a cab. I'd like to know what time because I suspect he was staggering home from the pub across the suspension bridge and 'deviated' into the road.

Seems to me Alexander Wilson abandoned his family for some reason, yet they didn't lose touch because his son John back in Peterhead was the informant.

His parents are James Wilson master tailor & Margaret Robertson, so forget about my idea about his mother being Ann Wright. We find this couple in 1851 in Berryhillock, Deskford with a daughter Helen.

This is the daughter
Name    Helen Wilson
Gender    Female
Christening Date    08 Aug 1812
Christening Place    DESKFORD,BANFF,SCOTLAND
Birth Date    05 Aug 1812
Father's Name    James Wilson
Mother's Name    Margt. Robson

and then we find your Alexander Wilson:
Name    Alexander Wilson
Gender    Male
Christening Date    01 Jul 1815
Christening Place    DESKFORD,BANFF,SCOTLAND
Birth Date    27 Jun 1815
Father's Name    James Wilson
Mother's Name    Margt. Robson
He would be 25 in 1841 which probably does mean he was at Ordens in 1841, aged 28.

I've got a (poor) image of his baptism - better off you getting a good'un from SP to see where he was born.

There's a brother John too.

FreeCEN gives us 1841 and 1851 (not there in 1861)
Piece: SCT1841/151 Place: Deskford -Banffshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Deskford Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 2
Address: Berryhilock

        Surname       First name(s)       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        WILSON       James       M       45       Tailor        Banffshire           
        WILSON       Margret       F       45               Banffshire           
        WILSON       John       M       20       Slater Appren        Banffshire       
Piece: SCT1851/151 Place: Deskford -Banffshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Deskford Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Deskford
Folio: 121 Page: 17 Schedule: 81
Address: 9 Berryhillock

        Surname       First name(s)       Rel       Status       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        WILSON       James       Head       M       M       61       Tailor Master        Banffshire - Ordiquill           
        WILSON       Margaret       Wife       M       F       61       Tailors Wife        Banffshire - Keith           
        WILSON       Helen       Dau       U       F       38       Tailor's Dau        Banffshire - Deskford       

I think he died thus
WILSON JAMES 69 1859 151/ 5 Deskford
so you should get his parents.

Probably:
Name    James Wilson
Gender    Male
Christening Date    01 Feb 1791
Christening Place    ORDIQUHILL,BANFF,SCOTLAND
Father's Name    Alexander Wilson
Mother's Name    Helen Frazer
which takes him away from 'my' Wilsons in Deskford into what appears to be a separate Wilson line there, although they might join up around 1700.

I think that's comprehensively broken through on that side! Happy hunting.

[themonkeymonkey]

Oh my goodness how on earth did you manage to uncover it all, thank you so much .   You have saved me a lot of time , now hopefully I can progress with Alexanders side of the family.  Once again thank you .

[themonkeymonkey]

Fordyce you are a miracle worker it is definitely him, widower of Eliz. Spence, he died of a fractured skull.  I don't know how you did it but thanks.