William R POOLE Marriage 1910

[dawnsh]

we're not really supposed to help you with the 1911 census, the policy here hasn't changed, but where are the boys in 1911 and what are their occupations?

[avm228]

Can we please have the page reference for 1901?

It is RG13/483/99/7.

William Poole "36" b Wandsworth (wid) and 3 Poole grandsons are with Richard and Elizabeth Catt.  William is described as son-in-law - in fact he is what we would now describe as Richard's stepson (Richard Edwin Catt married William's widowed mother Eliza Elizabeth Poole, Wandsworth, 6 Sep 1891).

[avm228]

Can we please have the page reference for 1901?

It is RG13/483/99/7.

William Poole "36" b Wandsworth (wid) and 3 Poole grandsons Charles 12 Leonard 10 and William 8 are with Richard and Elizabeth Catt.  William is described as son-in-law - in fact he is what we would now describe as Richard's stepson (Richard Edwin Catt married William's widowed mother Eliza Elizabeth Poole, Wandsworth, 6 Sep 1891).

[avm228]

His first marriage I think was 1 Apr 1889, aged 21, at St John's Battersea to Mary Goodman (spinster, 20, dau of Leonard decd).

William 23 & Mary 22 had no children listed with them in the 1891 census (Wandsworth): RG12/447/59/21, though they had had a son William baptised at St Faith, Wandsworth on 6 Mar 1891 giving the same address: 31 Ferrier St.  Perhaps they didn't realise that infants had to be included in the census return.

Children of the marriage may have been registered as follows:

William Poole mmn Goodman, Mar qtr 1891 Wandsworth (perhaps known as Leonard by 1901??)
William Thomas Poole mmn Goodman, Mar qtr 1893 Wandsworth

Death of Mary Poole aged 25, Sep qtr 1894 Wandsworth.

[Girl Guide]

Hi avm

You have made the correct deductions at your #10 reply.

Leonard Charles Goodman was born on 11th November 1886 to Mary Goodman who married William Poole.  I was informed by a relative that Leonard is William's child but born out of wedlock.

He is in the wrong place in the 1901 census, his age should be 14/15. 

William Thomas Poole was born on 16th December 1892.

Interesting that you have picked up another William with mmn Goodman from the GRO.  At the time I was originally researching the family the GRO didn't have mmn showing on the records.  This may be another Poole/Goodman combination who happened to have chosen William as a name.  I'll look in to that later.

Dawnsh

The boys are with Richard & Elizabeth Catt in 1911 occupations Unemployed fishmonger, motor driver and soldier.  Leonard has reverted to using his mother's maiden name.  One has a totally incorrect age!

Leonard and William married two sisters from my grandmother's family.

[avm228]

Presumably then:

Leonard Charles b 1886 is the child known as Leonard (and the boys are given the wrong ages in 1901, with Charles supposedly the eldest and Leonard - wrongly - the middle son)

William b 1891 (who is definitely of the right couple - I've given you the baptism) is the child known as Charles - again wrongly aged and in the wrong order in 1901.

William Thomas born Dec 1892 and registered Mar qtr 1893 is the one known as William.

[Girl Guide]

I've ordered the birth cert for the William in 1891.  Charles doesn't show up at all in the births between 1888 and 1890 for a Wandsworth registration district.

The parents William and Mary married on 1st April 1889 so either Charles was on the way or born before they married.

I find it odd that I can't find a birth registration.  Have you come across a baptism for Charles on Anc**?  I don't have a sub to Anc** so I can't check for one.

It seems a little strange that there are two children called William listed in the GRO.

This family seems to delight in leaving you scratching your head wondering who fits in where!

[avm228]

As I've said, it seems to me likely that "Charles" was the child registered in 1891 as "William".

[avm228]

The parents William and Mary married on 1st April 1889 so either Charles was on the way or born before they married.

I don't think that's necessarily right.

The children, as you have found, are aged in a different order in 1901 (Charles 12 Leonard 10 William 8 ) from 1901 (Leonard, Charles, William in that order).

Leonard was born and baptised as Goodman in 1886 and, you have said, reverted to that name by 1911.  It therefore looks as though Charles is the middle child, and that age 10 in 1901 should properly refer to him.

Generally, accuracy doesn't seem to have been a strong point for the family