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Offline Andrew Tarr

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Allwoods of mid-Somerset
« on: Friday 11 August 17 20:47 BST (UK) »
I am trying to identify the parents of James Allwood, an Ag.Lab born in West Lydford in about 1813.  His father was named as Thomas when he married Ann White of Alford (the next village) in 1839, shortly before his first child Silas was born.  I haven't managed to find any likely Thomases on the available datasets.  Any helpers?

There is an 1814 christening in Bruton (not far away) which only mentions his mother Mary.  Maybe Thomas is a mythical creature?
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Re: Allwoods of mid-Somerset
« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 August 17 22:10 BST (UK) »
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There is an 1814 christening in Bruton (not far away) which only mentions his mother Mary. 

I wonder if that is the James who is buried Bruton 11 July 1821 age 7
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Re: Allwoods of mid-Somerset
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 August 17 22:28 BST (UK) »
There's a Thomas Allwood born Bruton 1788 with a wife Mary in Surrey 1851/1861 that may have been his father.

Have you got an occupation for Thomas from the marriage?

There is this family in Frome Selwood in 1841

Thomas Allwood 54 looks like lawyer or sawyer
Mary 56
Ann 20
Ruth 17
Mary 13
Elizabeth 4

Marriage to Mary Cox 1807 Bruton
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Re: Allwoods of mid-Somerset
« Reply #3 on: Friday 11 August 17 23:07 BST (UK) »
There's a Thomas Allwood born Bruton 1788 with a wife Mary in Surrey 1851/1861 that may have been his father.

Have you got an occupation for Thomas from the marriage?

Labourer, just like his son.
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Re: Allwoods of mid-Somerset
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 August 17 00:27 BST (UK) »
Have you got the marriage cert from GRO?

Parish records are quite strange there is the marriage of James and Ann but it is entered along with the 1836 marriages -so no father given - underneath the entry is a note which gives the date as 29 Oct 1839 and states there was a mistake and both James and Ann had to resign this signature was witnesses by Thomas White father of the bride. there is no father given for James
Witnesses in the first entry were Frederick Cannon and Anna Allwood
mayne a long shot but I wondered if maybe Anna Allwood was James sister??
It seems her parents were George & Martha and she  married Frederick Cannon???
1841 Wst Lydford Somerset
George Allwood 60 ag lab
Martha 65
Annah 25
all b in county
HO107 937 16 9 12

1851
Church St West Lydford
Frederick Cannon Head M 35 shoemaker
Anna Cannon wife 32 Washerwoman
George Allwood fther in law 72 pauper formerly ag lab
all b West Lydford
HO107 1933 323 5

and one of james and Ann's grandchildren was named George

just a thought???

I'll see if I can find further info on Anna's marriage

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Re: Allwoods of mid-Somerset
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 August 17 00:37 BST (UK) »
further complications - Anna's surname is entered as Hallard???
West Lydford Somerset
Marriage 10 Jan 1850
Frederick Cannon 32 bachelor labourer of West Lydford father Stephen Cannon labourer
Anna Hallard 31 spinster of West Lydford father George Hallard labourer
witnesses Eliza Condick ????Rice JAMES HALLARD Elias Pearce (Clerk)

May be worth further investigation

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Re: Allwoods of mid-Somerset
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 August 17 00:48 BST (UK) »
......and there is this baptism

West Lydford
page 1 entry 7
Baptism by W H Colston rector & visitor
20 Jun 1813
James son of George and Martha Allard
address West Lydford
father's occ Labourer

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Re: Allwoods of mid-Somerset
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 August 17 20:52 BST (UK) »
Have you got the marriage cert from GRO?

Here is what is on the marriage cert:

29th day of October 1839, parish church, Alford, after banns:

James Allwood, full age, bachelor, labourer, of Lydford, resident in this parish, father Thomas A, labourer
Ann White, full age, spinster of Alford, father Thomas White, labourer
witnesses Frederick Cannon and Anna Allwood

I had found the George and Martha family some years ago, but discarded them after seeing this cert.  I have seen other examples of fictitious names in cases where the true father is not divulged or just not known.  But if Allard or Hallard is an alternative spelling, that may give another lead to follow.  Rustic Somerset dialect may be responsible ....  Interestingly, the handwriting in my copy of the cert looks too modern for 1839, but it is a GRO 'photocopy', not a recently filled-in form.
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Re: Allwoods of mid-Somerset
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 August 17 10:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks to both Milliepede and Suzard for their input.  I think I shall disregard any Bruton connections as the Alford/Lydford records seem fairly consistent except for the change of surname.  It seems that Ann White was christened in Ditcheat, the next village NE of Alford, though her family was living in Alhampton, a hamlet in between with no church.

I wonder what 'mistake' had been made.  Was it the spelling, or a wish to record a father for James?
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