Henry John Clapson

[Vabre]

I am interested in knowing the parents of the above who died in 1853 in Ticehurst in Sussex.
Henry was born in 1833 in Sussex.

Any help greatly appreciated,
Pam...Sydney

[groom]

Looks as if he was illegitimate

Henry John Clapson
Christening :   3 Feb 1833
Salehurst, Sussex, England
Mother:   Mary Clapson


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7ZX-ZQ6

[keyboard86]

Hi Mary Clapson married Henry French Widowed 13th August 1834 Salehurst, Henry John Clapson 18 is Son in Law in 1851, and John CLAPSTON 8 in 1841
Keyboard86

[groom]

So as he didn't take Henry's surname and he is described as son in law (another way of describing step son), the chances are that Henry wasn't his father.

[jonw65]

From The Keep
Title: Maintenance order
Date: 26 Feb 1833
Repository: East Sussex Record Office
ESRO reference: PAR 477/34/1/83
John Southwell of Salehurst, cordwainer; 7s 6d maintenance, 40s expenses and 1s 6d per week for the illegitimate son of Mary Clapson of Salehurst, singlewoman, who was born on 26 Dec 1832 at the house of Mary's father in Salehurst, she to pay 6d per week
Creator(s): Parish of Salehurst

[groom]

Vabre - I see that you have shared the Bastardy Paper on Ancestry in May, so did you already know this? Are you looking for more information about John Southwell and Mary Clapson?

[Vabre]

Thank you all for your replies. However this is my dilemma.

I have a John French who married Ellen O'Halloran at St.Mary's Cathedral Sydney on 2 April 1855. I am trying to ascertain as  to the place in Sussex from where John French came from. His death certificate said born Sussex ( but where ?). Mothers name Mary, fathers name Henry. I am unable to find any other information and cannot find him in the shipping papers or the immigration arrivals, either assisted or unassisted.

So rightly or wrongly I looked for, and found, a connection of a John Clapson , son-in-law, in the census, with his father Henry and mother Mary. This exactly matched my John French who just may have taken his step fathers name.We know that this John was born out of wedlock of which I posted a copy of the Bastardy papers on Ancestry which may in time be deleted.

I have just discovered the death of a Henry John Clapson ,aged 20, in Ticehurst who died in 1853,  I have now ordered the death certificate.

Hopefully this may solve my problem for I am so confused.

I hope I haven't confused you as well.

Pam...Sydney

[jonw65]

Henry John Clapson
buried 17 August 1853, Salehurst
age 20
abode seems to be same street as for 1851 census

[groom]

Henry John Clapson
buried 17 August 1853, Salehurst
age 20
abode seems to be same street as for 1851 census

So presumably if this is correct, John French and Henry John Clapson are two different people.

To be honest, if Henry was still using the name Clapson in 1851, I doubt, unless he was trying to hide, if he would have suddenly changed to John French. Did John and Ellen have any children, if so, what were they called as that may help us track him down? Does it give parents' names on his death or marriage certificate?