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Re: Almost 10 years on and STILL can't identify John Williams - any ideas?
« Reply #18 on: Monday 14 August 17 20:54 BST (UK) »
Isn't the second witness to the 1863 marriage M H Zoller (rather than Fuller)?  The same name appears as a witness to a 27 Sep 1863 marriage in the same register.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Almost 10 years on and STILL can't identify John Williams - any ideas?
« Reply #19 on: Monday 14 August 17 21:03 BST (UK) »
The only M H Zoller I can find so far is

Mary Hannah Zoller
married 1864
St Martins
to
either Thomas Leo or John Ponton

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Re: Almost 10 years on and STILL can't identify John Williams - any ideas?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 14 August 17 21:27 BST (UK) »
Quote from: louisa maud on Monday 14 August 17 21:03 BST (UK)
The only M H Zoller I can find so far is

Mary Hannah Zoller
married 1864
St Martins
to
either Thomas Leo or John Ponton

Louisa Maud

Yes I think this is the one:

1 December 1864, St Martin in the Fields

John Ponton, full age, widower, printer of St Martin's Lane, father Thomas Ponton, farm bailiff

Mary Hannah Zoller, full age, widow, of Chandos St, father William Collyer, mariner.

Witnesses:

Chas Perks, John Collyer, J Darcy.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Almost 10 years on and STILL can't identify John Williams - any ideas?
« Reply #21 on: Monday 14 August 17 21:28 BST (UK) »
Jill, do you want to go down the M H Zoller route
Mary Hannah Collyer
married
George Zoller
1854
George died in 1860 and Mary Hannah Zoller went on to marry John Ponton  1864

Doesn't seem to be any connection to Perks families

Incidentally 1861showing Charles and Emily perks is showing sons who have professional jobs

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of course M H Zoller might not be anything to do with your Perks family
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Almost 10 years on and STILL can't identify John Williams - any ideas?
« Reply #22 on: Monday 14 August 17 21:29 BST (UK) »
oops, crossed in post, if Mr Ponton was a printer he most likely worked for the Perks

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Almost 10 years on and STILL can't identify John Williams - any ideas?
« Reply #23 on: Monday 14 August 17 21:51 BST (UK) »
Have you considered the John Williams who died in Strand reg district in 1865. According to GRO he was age 31. St Martin in the fields seems to have been incorporated into Strand around that period.
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Re: Almost 10 years on and STILL can't identify John Williams - any ideas?
« Reply #24 on: Monday 14 August 17 22:30 BST (UK) »
One of the twins was actually registered as Hanora Mary according to the GRO online index (Honora Maria in the baptism register).  It's a name which certainly suggests an Irish connection.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Almost 10 years on and STILL can't identify John Williams - any ideas?
« Reply #25 on: Monday 14 August 17 23:03 BST (UK) »
Who was the informant of the twins' births? Is there any indication on the birth certificates that John was already deceased (as he would have been by the time of their 2 Nov 1865 births if Isobel's Sep qtr 1865 find is the one)?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Almost 10 years on and STILL can't identify John Williams - any ideas?
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 15 August 17 09:39 BST (UK) »
1851, Living next door to Charles Perks on 1851 is a family as follows, is this just a coincidence

William Perks aged 47 born St Martins occ newspaper agent
Harriett  47 born Surrey
William 20 Clerkenwell
Amelia 16 Surrey
Julia 10 St Martins
Emma 8 St Martins
Harriett 6 St Martins

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Possible mothers maiden name KITCHEN
Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London
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