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Robert Brown - Whitehaven
« on: Monday 14 August 17 15:20 BST (UK) »
My Gt Grand-mother Sarah Elizabeth Evans (widow) married Robert Brown (widower) 30th Oct 1867 at St Bartholomews Salford Lancashire.
Roberts occupation was stated as Engineer & his father was named as Thomas Brown deceased Joiner.  8D 81 332

In the 1901c they are listed as living in West Bank St, Salford RG13/184/38

Robert Brown        (H) 49 -Whitehaven
Sarah E Brown      (W) 49 -Edinburgh
Harry Brown         (S)  12- Salford
Samuel Hall    boarder 25-     "

I have found a Robert Brown ch. 3 June 1850 Aspatria to a Thomas /Margaret Brown but don't know if this is him.

Robert obviously was married previously & I don't know who his wife was or any issue/ siblings.

There is a recorded death Salford 1927 which is possibly him 8D447 109

Any help with finding the correct Robert Brown plus a 1st marriage/family would be appreciated.

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Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
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Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Robert Brown - Whitehaven
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 August 17 15:35 BST (UK) »
If Robert was allegedly born in 1851/2, then he would have been only 17 at his 2nd marriage to Sarah?

And Sarah was the same age and a widow?
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Re: Robert Brown - Whitehaven
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 August 17 15:44 BST (UK) »
Did the marriage take place in 1897? If it did then 12 year old Harry must be a son from Robert's first marriage.

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Re: Robert Brown - Whitehaven
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 August 17 15:49 BST (UK) »
If Robert was allegedly born in 1851/2, then he would have been only 17 at his 2nd marriage to Sarah?

And Sarah was the same age and a widow?

Apologies that should have read 1897.
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Robert Brown - Whitehaven
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 August 17 15:53 BST (UK) »
The new GRO Index search, which shows Mother's maiden names, has these possibilities:

BROWN, HARRY        (Mother's Maiden Name:) MOORES      
GRO Reference: 1890  M Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 12

BROWN, HARRY        JACKSON        
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 163
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Re: Robert Brown - Whitehaven
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 August 17 15:56 BST (UK) »
Did the marriage take place in 1897? If it did then 12 year old Harry must be a son from Robert's first marriage.

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Yes the marriage was 1897 (my mistake) & as my Gt Grandma was a Domestic Housekeeper I wonder if she initially worked for Robert.
My Gt Grandma Sarah (known as Bessie) was previously married to George Evans & they had 5 children between 1870 & 1879. The last one being my Grandmother Emma.
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Robert Brown - Whitehaven
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 August 17 16:01 BST (UK) »
The new GRO Index search, which shows Mother's maiden names, has these possibilities:

BROWN, HARRY        (Mother's Maiden Name:) MOORES      
GRO Reference: 1890  M Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 12

BROWN, HARRY        JACKSON        
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 163

That narrows it down a bit at least
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Robert Brown - Whitehaven
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 August 17 16:27 BST (UK) »
The new GRO Index search, which shows Mother's maiden names, has these possibilities:

BROWN, HARRY        (Mother's Maiden Name:) MOORES      
GRO Reference: 1890  M Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 12

BROWN, HARRY        JACKSON        
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 163

That narrows it down a bit at least

I have found a HARRY BROWN baptism at St Bartholomews Salford 1891(same church as Robert & Sarahs marriage) however this one has parents William & Mary.I have looked back on the parish records of this church for any other HARRY BROWNS but there are no others.
Will keep looking at other possible churches.
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Robert Brown - Whitehaven
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 August 17 16:54 BST (UK) »
There was a Robert BROWN (8 ) in Whitehaven in 1861 with a father Thomas BROWN who was a cabinet maker.

Birthplace given as Glasgow.
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