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Re: Thomas Knight c1800
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 16 August 17 15:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks again for the links. :)  Looking at the Ashby de la Zouch baptisms I found two possible matches for Thomas. One in 1792 and one in 1802. Further searching did not reveal a marriage for the parents of either child in Ashby so they probably came from elsewhere. The Thomas born in 1792 appears to have had only one sister born two years earlier so maybe they moved to Leicester after Thomas' birth. I need to look at the John Knight that the Thomas you found in the 1861 census to see if he related to any of the three sets of parents I found in Ashby in the late 1700s.
I am intrigued now as it would seem that the Irish link must go further back than my granddad believed.
Knight, Bates, Newton, Pick,Perkins, Marshall, North, Kilby, Beckett, Prince.

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Re: Thomas Knight c1800
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 16 August 17 21:36 BST (UK) »
Might this be the marriage?

St Margarets

Entry No.460,  JUN  5, 1852, after Banns
JOHN KNIGHT, 24, wid. FWK, of BELGRAVE GATE, s. of THOMAS KNIGHT, WOOLCOMBER
ELIZA WATTS, 24, sp. of BELGRAVE GATE, d. of JOHN WATTS, FWK
Wits: BERNARD FITZSIMONS, CHARLOTTE PADMORE

There are 2 sets of marriages in 1843 for a John Knight on freebmd with no listing on my refs so would register office more likely
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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: Thomas Knight c1800
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 16 August 17 21:45 BST (UK) »
There's this baptism

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQQN-5MR

John James Knight parents Thomas and Catherine


Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: Thomas Knight c1800
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 16 August 17 22:01 BST (UK) »
Have found these burials at Welford Road, all in the grave including John Watts

F   368 Unconsecrated plot
KNIGHT   THOMAS   1863   SEP   23   71   BARKBY LANE
KNIGHT   JOHN           1870   SEP   18   17   FLEET STREET
WATTS   JOHN    1873   JAN   8   82   WHARF STREET
KNIGHT   JOHN           1884   JUN   19   56   BELGRAVE GATE

In the paper matching the date, he is as age 72 Thomas Knight of Bedford Street died 19th Sept.

Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: Thomas Knight c1800
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 16 August 17 22:57 BST (UK) »
William and Mary Ann from the date you thought for William

Welford Road

P   855   Consecrated   
KNIGHT   WILLIAM   1893   NOV   15   70   LEICESTER UNION HOUSE
KNIGHT   MARY ANN   1895   DEC   31   72   LEWIN STREET

1891 with his daughter

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WDJ6-QPZ

St Margaret
Entry No.371,  DEC 28, 1868, after Banns
GEORGE BARNACLE, 21, bach. WEAVER, of GEORGE St, s. of JOHN BARNACLE, FWK
ELIZA ANN KNIGHT, 19, sp. of GEORGE St, d. of WILLIAM KNIGHT, TRAVELLER
Wits: WILLIAM MAXFIELD, PRISCILLA CLOUGH

There's an entry in the Leicester workhouse admissions I have

Entry no.22212   
28-Feb   1893   
Knight   William      Hawker   St. Margaret's      70      Church of England   
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: Thomas Knight c1800
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 17 August 17 11:21 BST (UK) »
Wow! Thanks Willsy,you are a wizard at finding bmd's and burials.
The marriage of George Barnacle and Eliza Ann fits in with my William and seems to point to Eliza Ann being the Ellen Ann I have listed for 1849/50. Priscilla was her elder sister who married William Maxwell. (Previously married to Cardy Clow and had two sons from that marriage.) Although the date I have for the marriage is 27.5.1878 they had their first child in 1870.
I don't have John Listed anywhere but there is a 5 year gap between Thomas' sons, Thomas 1834 and Joseph 1839 so he would fit nicely into that gap so I need to look at the idea that he might well be John James Knight.
Knight, Bates, Newton, Pick,Perkins, Marshall, North, Kilby, Beckett, Prince.

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Re: Thomas Knight c1800
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 17 August 17 21:52 BST (UK) »
My pleasure Tuggybear

I nearly put down Priscilla's marriage, from my refs for you

St Margret's
Entry No.209,  DEC 26, 1861, after Banns
CARDY CLOW, 20, bach. FWK, of GREEN St, s. of CARDY CLOW, FWK
PRISCILLA KNIGHT, 19, sp. of GREEN St, d. of WILLIAM KNIGHT, GENERAL DEALER
Wits: JOHN BOND, MARY ANN KNIGHT

This is looking interesting, John Knight  c1828 being listed as widow

Marriages
1848   Q4   KNIGHT   John James   Leicester   15/217

The listing on freebmd is

Ellis    Mary Ann        Leicester    15   217    
KNIGHT    James         
KNIGHT    John James         
KNIGHT    John James        
Lilley    Joseph        
MANGER    Thomas        
Mee    Eliza         Leicester   
Smith    Catherine         
Thorpe    Ann         
Whitmore    George        

They are not Church listed marriages from my refs

So checked my non-conformist refs

Knight   Emma
Born 05-Dec   1854   
Bap. 23-Dec   1854      Leicester   Leicester, Holy Cross Priory   Roman Catholic
Parents William   Mary Ann   mmn Akins               



Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: Thomas Knight c1800
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 17 August 17 22:27 BST (UK) »
Just throwing this one in the mix

Mar. Job Jarman and Mary Knight 1818

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ8Q-XQN

1841 Church Gate Job and Mary plus a John Knight c 1832

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYG-2XH

Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: Thomas Knight c1800
« Reply #17 on: Friday 18 August 17 13:13 BST (UK) »
This certainly looks interesting, thanks Willsy.

As far as I can tell William Knight and Mary Ann (Akins/Akiens) had the following children.

Priscilla 1843
William 1846
Roseanna 1849
Ellen/Ann/Eliza Ann 1850
Susannah 1852
Samuel 1854
Emma 1854 baptised 23.12.1854 RC
Thomas Edward 1857
Mary Ann 1859
Catherine 1864
James 1867

I have found no baptism dates for any of them but you have traced Emma to a Roman Catholic baptism. This would be in keeping with a gipsy faith so maybe all the others were baptised into the Catholic faith too. Goodness knows how the family became Church of England.


Thomas Knight and Catherine (Hemsley) had the following children
Ann chr 17.10.1820
William chr 23.8.1822
Eliza chr 21.10.1825  :  bur 12.9.1826
Louisa chr 24.10.1827
John chr 24.10.1827
Elizabeth b 1832
Thomas b 1838
Joseph b 1839

All the children I have christening dates for were christened at St Margaret's Parish Church, Leicester in the Church of England faith. This is in keeping with my granddad's faith such as he had. Certainly his children and we grandkids were brought up to believe we were C of E. but granddad always maintained his roots were Irish Gipsy.

I'm not sure where this leaves John James fitting into the family but it looks very much as though he fits in somewhere.
Knight, Bates, Newton, Pick,Perkins, Marshall, North, Kilby, Beckett, Prince.