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Geddis family - Tullylish Church
« on: Tuesday 15 August 17 21:04 BST (UK) »
I'm trying to find information on some relatives who were christened in Tullylish Presbyterian Church (found their birth records at PRONI).  After that - nothing.  Their names and dob are David Geddis 1848; Henry Geddis 1851 and Rosena/Rosetta Geddis 1856.  Can anyone help please?

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Re: Geddis family - Tullylish Church
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 15 August 17 21:27 BST (UK) »
Sounds like you found their baptisms in the church records at PRONI but what were the parents' names and where did they live (townland)? Presbyterian baptisms for this period usually in include the father's name, sometimes mother's first ad maiden name, sometimes townland.
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Re: Geddis family - Tullylish Church
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 15 August 17 22:56 BST (UK) »
Hello Aghadowey.  Thank you for replying.  Yes, I found their baptisms in the Church records. The 3 children came as quite a surprise as their first 4 children were found easily on websites.  In actual fact these 3 and my great grandmother were all baptised together in 1856 following the last birth.  Their parents were Sarah McCracken and Mathew Geddis from Banbridge.  I can't find marriage or death notices for any of the 3 children mentioned, or indeed emigration details. The name Tanaghmore features but I don't know if this is an address or a townland.  I really don't know why these 3 are so elusive when the rest of the family are all traceable.  Sarah and Mathew later went to Scotland to be with older children but no mention of the 3 younger ones.  They returned and Mathew died here (buried in Donaghmore) but Sarah went back to Scotland and died there.  It's just these 3 I know nothing about.

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Re: Geddis family - Tullylish Church
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 August 17 09:38 BST (UK) »
Have you located an address or townland associated with this family ?
Did you find where parents buried and which church associated?

my quick look around for potential leads and I would report that another Co Down family history website Raymonds Co Down ie genealogy has vanished! Very sad if it is definite sorry back to Geddis

David Geddis 1848;  Amanda has a David b 1847 in Genes Reunited
could this be him
21 in Thompson Street (Pottinger, Down)
Geddis David 50 Male Cousin Presbytarian Co Down House Painter Read and write - Widower living with cousins  a Montgomery family

Henry Geddis 1851 yes recorded by ancestryireland  matthew spelling
could this be him
11 in Ballydoran (Tullynakill, Down)  miles away most unlikely unless he married the farmers daughter
Geddis Henry 50 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Farmer Read and write English Married -
Geddis Ellen 48 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Down - Read and write English Married -
children
Geddis Lizzie {J} 11 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down Scholars Read and write English - -
Geddis Bishop  5 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down Scholars Cannot read or write English - -
relations staying
Campbell Sarah 46 Female Sister in Law Presbyterian Co Down - Read and write English Widow -
Campbell Jeannie 19 Female Niece Presbyterian Co Down Scholar Read and write English Not Married -
Campbell Martha  20 Female Niece Presbyterian Co Down - Read and write English Not Married -
others
Montgomery James  22 Male Servant Presbyterian Co Down Agricultural Labourer Read and write English Not Married -
Finlay James 16 Male Servant Presbyterian Co Down Agricultural Labourer Read and write English Not Married -

Rosena/Rosetta Geddis 1856.  Can anyone help please? yes recorded by ancestryireland

others found
by ancestryireland also has
1846 SARAH GEDDIS 1846 father MATTHEW Down
could this be her
Miss Sarah GEDDIS . Seapatrick regd. Banbridge; wife of Thomas Dunwoody; mother of William Nassau Dunwoody b. 1868 & Margaret b. 1870 & George Frederick b. 1872 CR

1844 MATTHEW GEDDIS 1844 fatherMATTHEW Down

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Re: Geddis family - Tullylish Church
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 17 August 17 15:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for your efforts.  You were right to say Henry wasn't likely.  I found him some time back and traced his family as not being my relative.

Sarah 1846 was my 2nd great aunt who died at age 7.

Matthew 1844 was my 2nd great uncle.

Haven't seen your findings for Rosena and David before so I will look at these.

Pinning down an address for my great grandparents is problematic.  There are no records of their births or marriage (we're talking about 1820s) but when the children are born the first 3 are listed as Banbridge, then Henry and David as Tanaghmore, Banbridge, then back to Co Down.  It's really confusing as to what is a townland, or registration district.  So first 3 were associated with Seapatrick Church then the rest with Tullylish.

I'll probably never know where my great grandfather came from as there are only 2 Mat(t)hew Geddes' in Ireland at the time.  In Scotland there are thousands of Matthew Geddes'.

Thank you again. 

Janet

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Re: Geddis family - Tullylish Church
« Reply #5 on: Friday 18 August 17 19:08 BST (UK) »
I am not sure if you know THIS LOCATION FOR MATTHEW
exploring
1863 http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Plot No mapref 129 68 Geddes   Matthew   Newry Street,Banbridge   Seapatrick
house and weaving shop £5pa valuation
however in the valuation revision books  Newry street is included in Ballyvally townland rather than banbridge
see   Current PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/16/6A (1864 - 1874) in PRONI https://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/ImageResult.aspx
Matthew is crossed out and replaced by   Down  with pencil at end of line [18]71

the others of interest include from Griffiths
Geddes   James      Lisnaree            Seapatrick   Down

Gaddes   Margaret   Scarva Street,Banbridge      Seapatrick   Down
Geddes   Matthew   Newry Street,Banbridge      Seapatrick   Down
Geddes   Samuel   Ballymoney Hill,Banbridge   Seapatrick   Down
Geddes   Thomas   Dromore Street,Banbridge   Seapatrick   Down

Gaddis   John      Bleary            Tullylish   Down
Gaddis   Joseph   High Street,Gilford         Tullylish   Down
Gaddis   Samuel   Drummiller            Tullylish   Down


Tanaghmore    Magherally   .    alternate spelling for Tonaghmore townland in 1836
Taghnaghmore   Magherally   .   alternate spelling for Tonaghmore townland in 1663   
PNNI V6 p 266
Tonaghmore    Magherally   20: 14/50   a townland 5km N of Banbridge;click here to see its location on a townland map; means ' big field'; borders Patterson’s Lough; ancient Mass Fort here; school here in 1836; 594 acres; originally belonged to Magennis clan; estate of Marquis of Downshire with Mr Reilly as agent in 1836   V12 p101,112, 114 OSM;DDPP p124; BH; PNNI V6 p 266

Tannaghmore North   Shankill   .    a townland of 230 acres: in Co Armagh in 1999
Tannaghmore South   Shankill   

Miss   Matilda   GEDDIS/ GEDDES/GADDIS   .   Magherally & Seapatrick   daughter of William Geddes; married James Anderson 13 Mar 1862 in Magherally ; mother of Isabella b. 1865 & Margaret b. 1869 (regd. Banbridge)   CR
Miss   Matilda   GEDDIS   .   Seapatrick   regd. Banbridge ; wife of James Anderson ; mother of Anne Jane b. 1875   CR
 
http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Killinchy.php
Geddes, Matthew, Killincan
There is a possibility that we are looking in the wrong county, it seems likely that the county border with Co Armagh has split apart a townland  with part of it in Co Armagh and part Co Down  There is perhaps a religous reason for changing churchand denominationand once done there might be more ie in Scotland?
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Re: Geddis family - Tullylish Church
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 August 17 19:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you again so much for your efforts to help me.  It is really appreciated.  I will ponder your comments, especially those referring to Co Down being split and some of it ending up in Co Armagh.

Good luck with your own searches.

Janet

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Re: Geddis family - Tullylish Church
« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 August 17 09:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you again so much for your efforts to help me.  It is really appreciated.  I will ponder your comments, especially those referring to Co Down being split and some of it ending up in Co Armagh.

Good luck with your own searches.

Janet

It wasn't that County Down was split but that at least one townland is in both counties.
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Re: Geddis family - Tullylish Church
« Reply #8 on: Friday 25 August 17 16:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks.  Stupid of me!!