Author Topic: John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales  (Read 662 times)

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John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales
« on: Saturday 19 August 17 12:02 BST (UK) »
Looking for my friends Gt Gt Gt grandparents on both sides.....
John Thornton born 1818 Swansea, Wales married Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Don't know John 1818 parents   but do know.....Mary Ann Roberts 1818 father is William Roberts

Mary Ann Roberts married again in 1845 to Samuel Ross Lash ... 5 yrs after John Thornton died Jan 1840.
Samuel Ross Lash's father was William Lash

I am searching for the names of the wives of William Roberts 1781 and William Lash and both parents of John Thornton born 1818

Any suggestions.....I've searched Ancestry and Family Search  >:(


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Re: John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 August 17 12:26 BST (UK) »
As John Thornton does not appear on the 1841 Census may I ask how you know he was born Glamorganshire?

There is a JAMES/ANN Thornton Baptising Children in Swansea from 1814 onwards
(she was Ann JONES and they married 19 June 1814 St Mary, Swansea)

1841 James is born c 1792, not in Glamorgan
1851 Census he is born c Bealdan, Yorkshire*

My point is your John may have been born anywhere.

I also cant find a 1840 Death Reg for John in Glamorgan?

Trish :)

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Re: John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 August 17 12:32 BST (UK) »
Does the 1838 Marriage Cert not name Johns Father and his Occp?
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Re: John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 August 17 13:03 BST (UK) »
So Samuel/Mary married in London 1845;

1851 in Swansea we have;
Stephen Outerbridge, 37
Ann Outerbridge, 33
Sarah A Outerbridge, 11
Annie O Outerbridge, 10
Stephen A Outerbridge, 8
Frances O Outerbridge, 4
Thomas Outerbridge, 1
John H THORTON, 10, born Swansea***
Mary Williams, 36
Mary A LUSH, 38, Widow (1813), born Swansea***

1861 she is still in Swansea down as born c 1812 Swansea, Galway, Ireland (sic)
As you know in her 1861 Will she left everything to her Son John Henry Thornton of Glous

For others try to help John is with his Grandfather in Swansea in 1841;
William Roberts, 60
Elizabeth Roberts, 25
John Thornton, 7 Mo
David Smith, 20
Catherine Tucker, 60

You said John Thornton died Jan 1840 there is a March 1840 St George in the East Death Reg but he was age 11.**

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Re: John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 August 17 04:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Trish.....

John Thornton born 1818 died January 1840 aged 22 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales, this was the same year that his son, John Henry Thornton was born.....sad
John Thornton was the one married to Mary Ann Roberts.
Mary Ann remarried 5 yrs later in Oct 1845 to Samuel Ross Dessieu Lash - who also died 5 yrs later in 1850...wow.
It is the above John Thornton whose parents I cannot find...also Mary Ann Roberts mother..her father I believe was William Roberts ... possibly married or lived with a Catherine Tucker ????? so that maybe her mother.

I also believe that the surname of Outerbridge is incorrect (which doesn't help eh) and on the 1851 Census it shows them as Stephen and Ann Cuterbridge living with them was Mary Ann Lash ex Thornton (nee) Roberts was living there with her then 10yr old son John Henry Thornton.

I have all the info. on John Henry Thornton as this was my friends great grandfather..

Some of the info is incorrect when you research and it gets so confusing.

Thank you for the information about Mary Ann leaving everything to her son John Henry Thornton, my friend will be very interested in that.  Funny, because Swansea is in Wales (maybe next door). I'm in Aust so I haven't travelled to Wales only England....wish I had.
How do I get her will in 1861......is it on Ancestry?

And no, John Thornton's  14th Oct 1838 marriage does not mention father/mother.. I've checked Free Family Search as well....need more research if possible LOL

I think that the wrong John Thornton has confused you with his death showing him 11 yrs old.
And the John Thornton born 1818 was the one who died in 1840 aged 22 in St.George East London.
Whether that is St. George East, London or St. George, East London...wonder what he was doing there.????
His son, John Henry Thornton born 1840 died March 1885 aged 45

Only do this if you want to as I have all the Census records of boy....it's just those darn Gr Gr Gr grandparents names  ???


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Re: John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 August 17 05:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Marriage 14th October 1838 Swansea St James.

John Thornton age Full occ Mariner Residence Hamlet of St Thomas Father Henry Thornton occ Gentleman
Mary Ann Roberts age Full Residence Castle Street Father William Roberts occ Boot & Shoemaker
Marriage was by Licence
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Re: John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 August 17 09:45 BST (UK) »
Thank you keyboard86.

I'll check out Henry Thornton...occupation Gentleman....how funny eh.
I will also seek who he married.

thank you for your time.
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Re: John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 August 17 12:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Carolsz,

Yes the 1861 Will is on Anc.

Still cant find a 1840 Death Reg for John Thornton age 22.

The 1840 St George one is age 11, have you used the new GRO Index which has ages?
The only 22 year old is in Leeds.

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Re: John Thornton and Mary Ann Roberts born 1818 Swansea, Wales
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 August 17 15:33 BST (UK) »
notice of the death of William Roberts aged 63, shoemaker, of Castle Street, 23 Aug 1842

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3330400/3330403/21/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb