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John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« on: Sunday 20 August 17 18:05 BST (UK) »
David Millar (the candy king of St Louis)  was born 1863 in Scotland. His parents were John and Euphemia Millar .. one can only assume from John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844) Midlothian/Leith .. but which John Millar (there are a million)? Are they also related to John Millar Candy in Houlton, ME? How about E.B. Millar Candy in Chicago? So much candy!! Please help .. you'd be the sweetest 😉

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 August 17 21:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Parkereham

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

You may well find that David was the first in his family to break into the candy business... ::)

This is his birth here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYBX-Y9N

He was in the US by the mid 1880s wasn't he, going by his marriage details https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24SK-NXD

This looks a likely entry for him in the 1871 census with his family:

John Millar 44 agr. lab. b. Markinch, fifeshire
Euphemia Millar 41 b. Lenches (?spl), fifeshire
John Millar 78 father joiner b. St Andrew, fifeshire
Margaret Millar 16 b. Kennoway, fifeshire
Janet Millar 14 b. Kennoway, fifeshire
Euphemia Millar 12 b. Kennoway, fifeshire
Isabella Millar 10 b. Kircaldy, fifeshire
David Millar 7 b. Kircaldy, fifeshire
William Millar 5 b. Kircaldy, fifeshire
James Millar 3 b. Kircaldy, fifeshire
Andrew Millar 5 Months b. Kircaldy, fifeshire

Address: 9 Charlotte St, Kirkcaldy Fife

Parents' marriage/banns look to have been in 1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT53-TBH and https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTPB-TJN

This date is before the start of official registration in Scotland from 1855. You would need to check John Millar and wife Euphemia's death cert to be able to verify their parents' full names (assuming they stayed in Scotland and didn't head off also to the US?).

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 August 17 21:22 BST (UK) »
David's mother at least did in Scotland, in 1873 in Kirkcaldy at the age of 42. Her maiden name is indexed as BOUSIE (think you will find numerous spelling variations on this surname).

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ is the official pay to view source for all original BMD and census images. Costs are reasonable.

This is the household in 1881 after Euphemia's death:

John Millar 54 carter
Margaret Millar 26
Isabella Millar 20
David Millar 17 Com Clerk Tobacconist
James Millar 13
Andrew Millar 10

Address: 24 Stewarts Lane, Kirkcaldy

David would then have left Scotland between 1881-85, in time for his first marriage (of three?) in the NY in 1885.

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 August 17 22:27 BST (UK) »
Thank You!!!! I have David (he is indeed b.June 8, 1863!!) arriving in 1890 via NY (obit) but nothing much until St. Louis where he married Millie Young and got big in the Candy Manufacturing business.  I just found his Obit last night (I've been looking for months) .. Said John and Euphemia Soutar Millar were his parents .. I was trying to follow the manufacturing business but couldn't find anything about the Baker/Candy maker John and his 'sons'.. I also just found a potential second marriage for him last night .. in St Louis also .. she lived until 98 though .. so must have been a divorce. 

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 August 17 14:46 BST (UK) »
It looks like David must have been married up to 3 times. You have his NY marriage entry from 1885 which includes his parents' names as confirmation https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24SK-NXD to a Bessie Souter.

So, he must have travelled to the US between 1881-85 as he was living at home with family up to 1881.

This looks to be him with second wife (?) Anna in 1900 in St Louis  Shows him as married to Anna for 2 years and arriving in the US in 1884 (with fits with first marriage to Bessie Soutter in 1885). Working as a cadies' salesman. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3D8-35K

Still with Anna in 1910 in St Louis https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M21T-91W  Married 12 years and with one son. David a candies' salesman.

1920 in St Louis with third wife (?) Elsie Marie https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M21T-91W David a candy manufacturer.

Original images are accessible via the FS site.

When did he marry Millie Young? A snip from her obit here www.nytimes.com/1971/01/20/archives/i-mrs-david-millar-i.html?mcubz=0

Details from David Millar's will here http://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/lccn/sn86071739/1950-01-26/ed-1/seq-19.pdf

Monica

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 August 17 15:00 BST (UK) »
I wondered whether this was Bessie Soutter Millar's death, just a few months after the January 1885 marriage in NY? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJG-21V Her family surname of Soutter possibly mistranscribed?

Monica
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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 August 17 15:18 BST (UK) »
Which descendant of David Millar are you researching? Asking because there seems to be two David Millars from Scotland, both born about the same time and both Candy manufacturers :-\ There is the one (I think the same man) living in Ohio, then there is this David Miller married to Millie and living in Queens NY in 1920 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVM6-R3M

1930 census here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X45V-CS6

I got confused on reading details from the will of David, husband of Millie, and seeing the number of children he'd had...which didn't match with the David in Ohio.

My thinking is that the marriage in 1885 in NY to Bessie Soutter with his parents' names confirmed on this and on his obit you have, and the second marriage to Millie Young are for one David Millar. The other entries with David Millar in Ohio and wives Anna and Elsie Marie are for the other David Millar?

It is important for you to be sure which David, but you can verify back from who you are researching back...

Monica
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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 August 17 16:32 BST (UK) »
Yes .. this is why I'm so confused! David and John were part of every Millar family .. and it may be only two but they seem like they are everywhere. There is a famous Millar condy compaby in scotland .. probably the family trade .. I just can't seem to connect them all .. my husband's family STILL does that naming at least one if not two from every generation David .. sure makes it confusing.

 We're actually coming from Euphemia Millar Bruenner b 1820 in NY to David and Millie Young (St Louis) .. Eventually David died in Amagansset in 1949.

Thank you a million times over for helping me with through this.. it's good to know I'm not crazy to think it's confusing.

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 August 17 21:07 BST (UK) »
Don't be confused! Sounds like you are working on the right line for David Millar who married Millie Young. You have them in the censuses 1920 and 1930 with their children (I couldn't easily see the 1900 and 1910 entries for David Millar so far).

His parents' names, John Millar and Euphemia Bonsie (with all the spelling variations) are included in his obit you mentioned. These same parents are showing for a David Millar who married in NY in 1885. This very much seems like a first marriage for him. Possile death for Bessie in 1885 in NY.

With David Millar's parents' details, you have his birth details and family from the censuses he shows in, 1871 and 1881. Confirming details of his maternal and paternal grandparents, from his parents' death certs, will let you work back to earlier generations.

The David Millar in St Lois is a red herring. Not the same as your line and family in the NY area.

Monica  :)
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