Author Topic: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)  (Read 1851 times)

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #9 on: Monday 21 August 17 21:50 BST (UK) »
Kind of a red herring .. he and Millie Young got married in st louis so he was there! He worked at the Whitman chocolate company up until his death .. so candy is certainly there too .. their first child was born in Missouri too (1906) .. the second was born 2 years later in PA so that's when they started their migration to NY.

I'll add bessie.. that makes total sense ..  but the obit mentioned a soutar too .. I think that's John's middle name maybe .. initially I thought it was Euphemias maiden name.

At some point I'll go ahead and track down the parents birth certs.. that will certainly clear up much of it ..

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #10 on: Monday 21 August 17 22:10 BST (UK) »
I think that surname Soutar likely crept in error for his mother Euphemia in his obit  :-\ Doesn't help either that it seems to also have been the maiden surname of David's likely first wife.

Best place to start with his parents would be their death certs. They were born before 1855 and the start of official registration in Scotland. Before 1855, you are reliant on the parish registers and these can be very patchy if you are lucky enough to find an entry.

How odd that St Louis is where David and Millie married! If we didn't have David Miller with Millie in 1920 & 1930, and at the same time, the other David Millar in St Louis for the same censuses, certainly you would mix them up. Approx same birth year in Scotland and same profession.

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #11 on: Monday 21 August 17 22:18 BST (UK) »
Ohhh what if Bessie actually came over with him? Thank you for finding her! How (potentially) scandalous.. would potentially also explain why it was in his obit  (if he was her cousin)

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 21 August 17 22:38 BST (UK) »
That is a great find there  :)

So Bessie Ann born in England and then parents come back to Kirkcaldy? One other daughter born to parents there in 1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY5P-DRW

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 21 August 17 22:45 BST (UK) »
Bessie Ann's full birth details here:

Name: Bessie Anne Soutter
Baptism Date: 19 Nov 1865
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Alexander Davie Soutter
Mother's name: Rosina Soutter

Added: Just a little more detail on the Soutter family.

This looks like a good possibility for father Alexander Davie Soutter's birth https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY87-752  The marriage to Rose Stanley looks to have take place in Manchester, where Bessie was born https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D7V-177 Bessie Ann looks to have been a honeymoon baby going by these dates  :)

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #14 on: Monday 21 August 17 23:04 BST (UK) »
Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm having problems linking the David  living in New York in 1920 ( supposedly born 1870 and married to Millie Young) with the David born in 1863 in Kirkcaldy to John and Euphemia. Surely the 1863 birth ties up with David Millar who was married to Elsie Marie and living in St Louis in 1920?
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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #15 on: Monday 21 August 17 23:28 BST (UK) »
Understandably so .. this was the gold nugget that I discovered a few nights ago .. had so much more than I'd hoped for .. (top right)

http://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/lccn/sn83030960/1949-12-29/ed-1/seq-5/png/

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #16 on: Monday 21 August 17 23:46 BST (UK) »
I checked on a hunch.. could be completely unrelated but odds are that I know why they left Scotland now 😔

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Re: John Millar & Sons Bakery/Candy (1844)
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 22 August 17 11:56 BST (UK) »
Curious me  ;) Why do you think they left Scotland? Do you think baby Bessie D was their child and they left Scotland as she was pregnant at the time?

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