Birth of Ellen Evans in Swansea West Glamorgan

[annelewis]

I am unable to trace the birth of my paternal grandmother Ellen Evans -  DOB approx 1877

Parents - Father - David Evans - DOB approx 1840
              Mother - Mary Hughes (widow) formerly Roberts  DOB approx 1836
              Marriage registered 22/6/1868.

Ellen's christian name has a few variations - Elinor, Eleanor.

I have found her marriage in 1899 to Morgan Williams and thereafter she is listed on the 1901/1911
census and the 1939 register.

Any help with my search would be greatly appreciated - many thanks Anne Lewis

[nanny jan]

The GRO index now show the maiden name on births; you would need to look for an Evans birth with maiden name of Roberts.

It is free to register.   https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

[RayDen]

Do you have Ellen/Elinor on the 1881 census?

[Jamjar]

Births from GRO with search 1877 + - 2 years:

EVANS, ELLEN mmn ROBERTS 
GRO Reference: 1875  M Quarter in BANGOR  Volume 11B  Page 512
EVANS, ELLEN mmn ROBERTS     
GRO Reference: 1875  J Quarter in BANGOR  Volume 11B  Page 561
EVANS, ELLEN mmn ROBERTS     
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 308
EVANS, ELLEN mmn ROBERTS     
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in RUTHIN  Volume 11B  Page 304
EVANS, ELLEN  ELIZABETH mmn ROBERTS     
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 370
EVANS, ELLEN  MARY mmn ROBERTS 
GRO Reference: 1879  J Quarter in PWLLHELI UNION  Volume 11B  Page 477

EVANS, ELEANOR mmn ROBERTS 
GRO Reference: 1879  J Quarter in HOLYWELL  Volume 11B  Page 266
EVANS, ELEANOR mmn ROBERTS     
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 472
EVANS, ELEANOR mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 310

What were any siblings names?

Jamjar

[hanes teulu]

Is this your David and Mary Evans, married Jun Qtr 1868, Swansea?

1871 Census RG10  5445  10  1481
David Evans, Head, 31, House Joiner, b. Llandilo, Carm.
Mary Evans, Wife, 35, b.Llangyfelach
Mary J Hughes, step dau, 14, b. llangyfelach
John Hughes, step son, 12, b. Llangyfelach
Margaret Evans**, dau, 2, b. Llangyfelach
Address Brynyfrydd, Llangyfelach

** GRO birth registration, Margaret Ann Evans, Jun Qtr, 1869, mother's maiden name Roberts

1881 RG11  5352  26  46
David Evans, Head, 41, Carpenter & Grocer, b. Llanddebia, Carm.
Mary Evans, Wife, 45, b. Llangyfelach
Margaret Evans, dau, 12, b. Llangyfelach
Elizabeth Evans**, dau, 8, b. Llangyfelach
Sarah Evans**, dau, 10, b. Llangyfelach
John Howell, son in law, 24, Potter in spelter works, b. Llangyfelach
Mary Jane Howell, dau, 24, wife (to potter in spelter works), b. Llangyfelach
Margaret Edith Howell, dau, 2, b. llangyfelach
Address - 15 Pentreharn Hill

I can find GRO birth registrations for Elizabeth (Jun Qtr 1873) and Sarah (Jun Qtr 1871) - mother Roberts

No sign of an Ellen Evans, born about 1878, either on GRO or the above '81 Census.

On the 1901 Census Ellen Williams, wife of Morgan, has place of birth "Cockett".

If you have her marriage cert what was Ellen's father's name and occupation?
 

[hanes teulu]

1891 Census RG12  4475  31  57

David Evans, Head, 51, Builder & Grocer, b, Llandebie
Mary Evans, Wife, 54, b. Brynhyfryd
Sarah Evans, dau, 20, Teacher and Grocer, b. Brynhyfryd
Lizzie Evans, dau, 18, House duty, b. Brynhyfryd
Edith Howells, step dau, 12, b. Brynhyfryd
Address Pentreharne Hill, Swansea

Again, no sign of an Ellen

[Dundee]

Is this Morgan and Ellen/Eleanor in 1911?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXK-9SW

If so then I think this is likely to be Elinor, mother Mary and siblings in 1881:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-JLND

Her birth registration:

EVANS, ELLEN
Mother's maiden surname: EMMANUEL
GRO Reference: 1877  D Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 668

I can see the other EVANS children's births as well as Rachel THOMAS with mother's name as various versions of EMANUEL.

1871 (father is David EVAN/S)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5BV-631

Debra 

[Dundee]

Mary MANUEL/EMANUEL with first husband Howell THOMAS.  I think that Mary Jane and Sarah's ages and order of birth are correct here in 1861 and wrong in 1871.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74B-4SK

Marriages Sep quarter 1855

MANUEL    Mary       
STANBURY    Joseph        
THOMAS    Howell        
Thomas    Mary        

Swansea    11a   642

A wild guess for the second marriage but the names are so common only Mary's father's details from the cert would confirm:

Marriages June quarter 1868

Evans    David       
Phillips    John        
Thomas    Mary        
Williams    Sarah        

Swansea    11a   795

Debra 

[hanes teulu]

I had checked the GRO for Ellen Evans, Swansea around 1877/1878 - 3 came up with mother's maiden names Manwell (1876), Emmanuel (1877) and Beynon (1879).

There was also the baptism of an Ellen Louisa Evans, born 3 Dec 1877, bap 5 June 1878, mother Ellen Evans (no father), abode Swansea - place St. Mary's Church. However, this must be Louisa Ellen Evans, birth registered Mar Qtr 1878, Swansea, no mother's maiden name.

Elinor is with her mother, now a widow,in the household of her elder sister Rachel in 1891 - still in the St. John's area.

Hopefully, the marriage cert. and father's name/occupation can help resolve the issue.