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Sidney Gardner
« on: Wednesday 23 August 17 23:15 BST (UK) »
Hi

I wonder if anyone can help me please.  I am looking for the birth of Sidney Gardner (according to the 1939 census his birthday was 25.03.1903).

I also know from his marriage to Alice May Hartley in 1935 that his father's name was Thomas.

I cannot find a birth for him though. 

There is a 1911 census record with a Sidney Gardener with a Thomas as a father but states born Aldershot in 1906.

I am not sure if this is the same Sidney.  The only clue I have is that I do know Sidney had a sister called Daisy and there is also a Daisy listed on the 1911 census record.

Any other clues as to whether this is the correct one as I still cannot find a birth for him in either 1906 or 1903.  I know the 1911 census may be approximate dates as they often were but as the 1939 date of birth is very precise.

They did live in Farnham in later years.

There is also a death in 1967 for a Sidney Gardner but that lists his year of birth as 1905 and doesn't state the month or day.

Any clues would be gratefully received.

Thank you.
Julie
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Re: Sidney Gardner
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 24 August 17 00:06 BST (UK) »
Hi I think possibly the places of birth for the children in 1911 are incorrect, it is highly possible that they are the children of Thomas Gardner who married Clara Jane COATES September qtr 1899 Guildford 2a 183, there is a birth of a Sidney Gardner June qtr 1905 Thakeham with mothers maiden Coates and I have checked two or three of the other children as well on the GRO Index ( But should add I cannot at present locate one for Edith b c 1902)?

In 1901 census Thomas/Clara J and Charles Gardener 6 months b Eastbourne are on census ref RG13/907/50/15
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Re: Sidney Gardner
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 August 17 02:46 BST (UK) »
Agree, keyboard86 - children in 1911 were not all born in Aldershot:

Charles William Dec.1900 Eastbourne mmn Coates
Edith ca.1901-2  I can't find either
Caroline Ann Mar.qtr.1904 Westhampnett mmn Coates
Sidney Gardner Jun.qtr. 1905 Thakeham mmn Coates
Daisy May Jun.1907 Midhurst mmn Cotes

The birth certificate of Sidney Gardner should hopefully confirm a birthdate of 25 March 1905 which ties in with his death entry in 1967 thus meaning the year of 1903 shown on 1939 register is incorrect.

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Re: Sidney Gardner
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 August 17 02:47 BST (UK) »
 :) And possibly another:-

Lily F Gardner June qtr 1914 Farnham 2a 313 mmn Coates
Tragically this poor girl dies September qtr 1914 Farnham 2a 168 aged 5 months
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Re: Sidney Gardner
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 August 17 10:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Keyboard 86 and Annette7

Thanks both so much.  I had both parents down as a strong possibility as the ones you mentioned, it was just that the birth year was doubtful and threw me a bit.

In the 1911 census with that family it does also state that 2 children were born and died, so that sadly would tie in with Lily plus one other also.

In the marriage certificate in 1935 it also states that Sidney's age was 29 so that would also make his birth 1905.

I'll apply for the birth certificate and see if it is the 25th March.

Once again, thank you both for all your help.

Kind regards
Julie
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Re: Sidney Gardner
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 August 17 14:50 BST (UK) »
Julia - the 2 children born and died by 1911 could not have included Lily as not born until 1914!

However, had another look and discovered twin boys were born in Jun.qtr.1908 Midhurst - both with mmn Coates and surname was Gardener: 

Luke John
Matthew Mark

Luke John's death is Jun.1908 Midhurst
Matthew Mark's death is Sept.1908 Chichester.

From the various birth entries found this family were certainly constantly on the move in SE of England.

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Re: Sidney Gardner
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 August 17 14:59 BST (UK) »
Have just found the marriage online:

Thomas Gardner   25     Cowman     of Acacia Road     son of Charles Gardner, Labourer
Clara Jane Coates  20                     of Stoke next (Guildford)    dau. of Thomas Coates, Labourer
married 26/8/1899 St. John the Evangelist, Stoke next Guildford, Surrey

Thomas signed, Clara made her mark

Witness Jesse Hartfree and Sarah Ann Coates who both made their mark.

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Re: Sidney Gardner
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 August 17 20:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Annette7

Of course, that was stupid of me saying about the 2 deaths, of course one of them couldn't be Lily.

That is a shame about the twins, how sad that both of them died!

They certainly did move around though didn't they, didn't stay still for more than a few months by the look of things.

Thanks so much for the other info on their marriage too, that is great, you have been a huge help to me and I'm very grateful.

Kind regards
Julie
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Re: Sidney Gardner
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 August 17 21:04 BST (UK) »
 ;D Who and when/where born was EDITH?

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