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conchie-wm-fergr what does this mean ?
« on: Friday 25 August 17 01:30 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone

I was wondering if anyone understands the meaning of the following ?

vic fergr roy
vic conchie vic greasic
vic wm eir

it my understanding the possible meaning of vic = son of

totally confused and no sure, so if anyone can shed a little light on the above that wold be great, thank you xx
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Re: conchie-wm-fergr what does this mean ?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 August 17 07:50 BST (UK) »
Please can you tell us the context?
What document?
Original or transcript?
Date?
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Simons Barrett Jaffray Waugh Langdale Heugh Meade Garnsey Evans Vazie Mountcure Glascodine Parish Peard Smart Dobbie Sinclair....
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Re: conchie-wm-fergr what does this mean ?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 August 17 08:34 BST (UK) »
"Vic" does mean son of. It is an Anglicised form. In Gaelic, mac means son and mic is the genitive form of the noun. When the initial m is aspirated it is written mhic, pronounced "vic".

Think of how Mairi (Mary) becomes Mhairi (and is pronounced "Varee").

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Re: conchie-wm-fergr what does this mean ?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 August 17 11:19 BST (UK) »
Lynn,  possibly son of Red Fergus,  son of Duncan son of the shoemaker?  son of William ?

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Re: conchie-wm-fergr what does this mean ?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 31 August 17 21:38 BST (UK) »
I would say fergr roy is Farquhar Ruadh .. red Farquhar

Conchie...Kenny/Kenneth?
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Re: conchie-wm-fergr what does this mean ?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 01 September 17 00:23 BST (UK) »
possibly son of Red Fergus,  son of Duncan son of the shoemaker?  son of William ?

Skoosh,

That sounds good to me although I would think Kenneth not Duncan, not that I speak gaelic but I can understand certain words/names & I know a 'C' from a 'D' having both in my tree (South Uist)  ;D

Fergus is a variant of Farquhar (in my tree) & 'greasic' being shoemaker looks good although the word for shoemaker is 'greusaiche' but normally when referring to someone with their occupation they would also have a name first for the person, not just their occ?

Doesn't look like a good (written) translation by whoever wrote it (at the time)?

The gaelic alphabet has only 18 letters which doesn't include a 'v' i.e. 'mh' or 'bh' dependant on what it's pertaining to.

GS, It would be good to know the origin as you say as well as the era (not that I'm great with gaelic) but it does look questionable.

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Re: conchie-wm-fergr what does this mean ?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 01 September 17 10:40 BST (UK) »
Annie, the Robertson's are the Clan Donnachy (Duncan), Dhonachie is pronounced something like conchie! I rest my case!  ;D 

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Re: conchie-wm-fergr what does this mean ?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 01 September 17 13:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you Skoosh,

I didn't know that & I may actually be descended from that clan not that I will ever find out but I have Donoghue in a vast amount of variations  :-\

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Re: conchie-wm-fergr what does this mean ?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 01 September 17 21:10 BST (UK) »
Annie, just to confirm the Duncan thing, this from the indispensable "Bygone Lochaber!"  An example of the patronymics of MacPhees in a Glen Dessary rental is given thus, " Duncan  vic Ewan vic Conchie!" (Duncan of a son of Ewan, son of Duncan!)

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