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Re: John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 27 August 17 01:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Sue and Jamjar,

The Mt Thompson cemetery location rings a bell. The photo is new to me. many thanks.

That birth record Sue, what a ripper. It both fleshes out the story and muddies the waters  :)

Which is very much the Morgan story, I have to admit.

Thanks to clues from you and others, I have found an obit. for Ronald Moore Morgan which links him to us, as does the Moore name. And this morning I found on electoral rolls
Mary Ann Carberry Morgan with her daughter  Letitia Morgan Setches in South Melbourne in the 1930's. I have been unable to find her anywhere once her husband died, drowned in the Yarra.
Very appreciative.
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Re: John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 27 August 17 02:12 BST (UK) »
 This death notice for Charles junior will maybe confirm that your John and Eustace  are the same man.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/183474051


MORGAN. — Relatives and Friend of Miss Maud Smith and Mr.Eustace Morgan, Mr. and Mrs. W. Crane (Too-woomba), Mr. and- Mrs. F. Carmody (Townsville), Mrs. A. Freeman, and Mr. and Mrs. S. Setches and their Families, are invited to attend the Funeral of their deceased Brother .Brother-in-law and Uncle, Mr. Charles M. Morgan, to leave the Funeral
Chapel, 17 Peel Street, South' Brisbane, on Monday Morning at 11 o'clock ..........


Sue

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noting mother Mrs M MORGAN extends funeral invitation too and is in Melbourne.


 
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Re: John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 27 August 17 09:50 BST (UK) »
1914 3098 MORGAN Letitia Emily to SETCHES Stanley

Is this her death? ???

SETCHES Letitia Emily Roslyn father MOOR Charles mother Mary Alice (Power) aged 54. Born Melbourne, died Parkville 1950 772.


Jamjar

    
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22805196

 

 


Thinking this may be the death of Mary Ann Snr, as if I remember correctly there were other family members at Parkville:

1945 83 MORGAN Mary Ann father's name unknown mother's name unknown (unknown) Place of birth: BENDIGO, Place of death: PARKVILLE aged 85

Jamjar

Letitia's  home address was 27 Asling Street West Preston.
She died at Royal Melbourne Hospital which is in Parkville.

Perhaps that was also the death place of the Mary Ann MORGAN given above.

Mary Ann MORGAN's husband Charles
Chas Morgan-
1900/9918
Parents MORGAN Owen Wynne, & Sophia POWELL

He is memorialized with his parents and some brothers and other family members at Melbourne General Cemetery. This does not mean automatically that he is buried there
Location of the MI
Religion c of E
Section O Grave number 24/25

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Re: John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 27 August 17 10:40 BST (UK) »
The tragic death of a man who appears to be the father of Eustace MORGAN.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222248579

Sue

Death of Charles Snr:

1900 9918 MORGAN Chas parents Morgan Owen Wynne and Sophia (Powell) Melb E aged 42


Siblings of Charles senior:

1840 12345 John Lewis

1841 12613 Owen Orr

1846 14646 Margaret Mary

1848 15690 Sarah Sophia

1850 16769 William

1852 27643 Letitia Conway

1855 10235 Unnamed male

1858 6012 Moore

1860 7219 Henry Barkley Adam


Deaths of siblings:

1865 3557 Emily Alicia aged 11

1887 7778 Owen Orr aged 45

Death notice:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article164934822


1897 6562 Moore aged 39

Death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9154425
   

1904 6219 William aged 54

Buried with John Lewis:

MORGAN William Williamstown Cemetery [W] Church of England WI-CE*D*8.5**1 Interment 17-4-1904   


1911 14435 Margaret Mary WAYMONTH (mistranscribed) aged 68

Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197390065


1912 3103 Henry Adam aged 51

Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11643642

Bereavement notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197413538


1912 15774 John Lewis aged 72

Death and funeral notices:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article143279044 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10506308

Buried:

MORGAN John Lewis Williamstown Cemetery [W] Church of England WI-CE*D*8.5**1 Interment 7-10-1912

MORGAN Elizabeth Rose Williamstown Cemetery [W] Church of England WI-CE*D*8.5**1 Interment    1-8-1942


1918 4788 Letitia Conway aged 64

Buried:

St Kilda Cemetery Morgan Letitia Conway Date of Service: 3 April 1918   Age: 64   
Church of England, Compartment B, Grave 673


1922 7522 Sarah Sophia OWEN aged 74

Buried with sons:

St Kilda Cemetery Owen Sarah Sophia   Buried 20-7-1922
Church of England, Compartment B, Grave 673A

Moore Frederick   Buried 1-4-1927

1927 7653 OWEN Moore Frederick parents OWEN Henry and Sarah Sophia (Morgan)

Henry Charles Buried 31-5-1935

1935 4288 OWEN Henry Charles parents OWEN Henry and Sarah Sophia (Morgan) aged 60


Their parents' deaths:

1879 11829 MORGAN Sophia parents Powell Thomas and Mary aged 61, place of birth Co.Wicklow

1886 2964 MORGAN Owen Wynne parents Moor and Sarah aged 72


Marriages:

1868 2449 MORGAN Margaret Mary to WAYMOUTH Bryant

* I think this Bryant had children from previous relationship:

1844 based on death age 75 in 1918 - 1918 9569 WAYMOUTH Josiah Henry parents Waymouth Bryant and Martha

1855 6384 WAYMOUTH Mary parents Bryant and Martha Phillips (Cadey)

1857 13802 WAYMOUTH Elizabeth parents Bryant and Martha (Eade)

Marriage of 'second daughter ' Sarah Fanny in 1864: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5745425

Only death for a Bryant Waymouth I can see:

1882 2971 WAYMOUTH Bryant parents Caleb Bryant and Carol (Coleridge)

Death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11532383  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11532469

Buried with Martha:

St Kilda Cemetery Waymouth Bryant Buried 16-2-1882  Church of England, Compartment C, Grave 612

Waymouth Martha Buried 20-12-1872

Death of Martha née Phillips:

1872 10591 WAYMOUTH Martha Phillips father Eadie

Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5844764


1868 3624 MORGAN Sarah Sophia to OWEN Henry


1872 2320 MORGAN John Lewis to LOWING Mary Louisa

Death of wife: 1878 1561 MORGAN Mary Louisa father Lowing William aged 30

* John has a child with a Florence in 1893:

1893 7158 MORGAN Owen William father John Lewis and mother Florence (Abernethy)

Death of Owen in NSW:

12606/1936  MORGAN  Owen William parents John Louis and Florence Ada SYDNEY

Death and funeral notices: 

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17265630

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17265614

Buried Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:

Owen William Morgan 31-8-1936 ABB - Anglican FM BB, Position 465

Marriage of Florence in NSW:

7197/1916 CALLIDY Anthony to MORGAN Florence A NEWCASTLE


MORGAN Owen Orr to QUINLAN Ellen (from death registration) I can't find marriage.



Rodney, where have you found Henry's marriage to Alice Phelps and Owen's to Ellen Quinlan?


I think you may may have your Waymouth on your tree a tad confused. Here are the two Owen Waymouth deaths:

1871 256 WAYMOUTH Owen Lewis parents Bryant and Margaret Mary (Morgan) aged 13

1950 5493 WAYMOUTH Owen Lewis WAYMOUTH Unknown and Margaret Mary (Morgan) aged 75

You will find births and deaths for the children from the above marriages on VIC BDM.

Jamjar

Added: I've just read the wills of Bryant and Martha. Bryant's mentions four daughters and Josiah. Nothing about Margaret and sons. So, is there another Byant hiding somewhere. Margaret is a widow at time of death and in 1887 there is mention of a Margaret Waymouth, widow, last paragraph 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article164930553




















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Re: John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 27 August 17 12:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Rodney,
It is possible Mary Ann MORGAN  is interred at Melbourne General Cemetery.
Perhaps you could  contact them using email. Their records are not yet online ;D
https://mgc.smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/

Sue
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Re: John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 27 August 17 13:41 BST (UK) »
I am overwhelmed and very grateful for the many contributions. I am away from my desktop and the tiny mobile screen drives me mad so forgive my delay please. Good idea about Melb. cemetery and Bendigo also. Will ring both when home.
Re marriage of Owen Orr Morgan and Ellen Quinlan a reference to a Port Melb. marriage is on his death cert. My suspicion is no marriage at all. He was C. of E. and she was Catholic and after his death and burial in C.o.E area she took children and grandchildren to R.C. Church.
Again, thanks a million. More soon.
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Re: John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 27 August 17 13:51 BST (UK) »
Did you manage to find the immigration details? You say that Owen W and Sarah married Ireland in 1838 and John was born in Vic in 1840. I was thinking that it may be worth looking at the WESTMINSTER that arrived in Vic in December 1839.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article228130556

I also can't see the marriage of William to Rebecca Cleland.

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Re: John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 27 August 17 19:22 BST (UK) »
The Westminster is mentioned in his obit. Will try Immigration Museum. Thanks, Jamjar.
William Morgan m. Rubenia  Cleland at St Peters East Melb.

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Re: John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall
« Reply #35 on: Monday 28 August 17 01:08 BST (UK) »
The Westminster is mentioned in his obit. Will try Immigration Museum. Thanks, Jamjar.
William Morgan m. Rubenia  Cleland at St Peters East Melb.

What evidence do you have that this is your William? A common name is William Morgan with no middle name and did he remarry?

Marriage:

1873 3837 MORGAN William to CLELAND Rubenia MORGAN

Death:

1878 1582 MORGAN Rubina parents Cleland Robert and Elizabeth (Cuthbert) aged 23

Death and funeral notices:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5922958

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200550534


You have a few ancestors buried at Melbourne General.

Jamjar


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