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Re: Copland birth date
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 12:03 BST (UK) »
Have you found a baptism? Do you know what year his parents married? What age does he give on a marriage certificate?
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Copland birth date
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 12:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Carolineasb, Thanks for your suggestions.  I still think the date should be 1914 - it's just how to prove it  - that is my problem.

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Re: Copland birth date
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 12:10 BST (UK) »
Ah, I see from SP free index that James & Margaret married in 1914 - actually the date should be on William's birth certificate.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Copland birth date
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 12:27 BST (UK) »
Govanhill is not in the same area as Govan. Also the reg number for the 1914 birth ( i.e. 2105) suggests a birth registered late in the year.
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Re: Copland birth date
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 12:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Josey,  No I haven't found a baptism.  I suspect if baptised it would have been in the Free Kirk.
The parents were married 18th August, 1914.  I haven't been able to find a marriage certificate yet but I know he was married on 29th October, 1939.
So, yes I know that they married in August, 1914.....at present I guessing that the son William was born 14th December, 1914 - 4 months later.  It may be that a family member has changed the date on the birth extract - maybe to make it look like he was born a legitimate or maybe to make him look younger to avoid war or whatever!?!?!?

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Re: Copland birth date
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 12:48 BST (UK) »
Hi isobelw,  Thanks for the information.  Just to get this straight - are you agreeing that the SP birth for William. Copland b. 1914  (born 14th December - later in the year) Govan is my man?
His home address was Elder Park Street, Govan, Glasgow.
I hadn't connected before that Govanhill and Govan were not the same area.  thanks for that.

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Re: Copland birth date
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 13:22 BST (UK) »
According to SP there were only two births in Glasgow Govan in 1910-19

COPLAND   WILLIAM   M   1914   644/21 2105   Govan   
COPLAND   WILLIAM   M   1918   644/16 617   Govanhill

I got them from the free index in ScotlandsPeople.
The obvious thing to do is to pay for the certificates to see who the parents were.
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Re: Copland birth date
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 13:39 BST (UK) »
There are several trees on A*try all showing the dob as 14/12/1914 in Govan
Tannahill: Ayrshire, Renfrewshire
Mulgrew/Milgrew: Glasgow
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Re: Copland birth date
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 29 August 17 13:44 BST (UK) »
To be sure,  you really need to view the certificate at Scotlandspeople ( you can view 5 certificates for 7.00, so not expensive).
However there is no William Copland birth recorded in the indices for 1919 for Govan, which might suggest the certificate you have has been doctored.
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