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1851 Census for Alexander Maule
« on: Thursday 31 August 17 00:35 BST (UK) »
Hi

I have access to ancestry and scotlands people and searched for Alexander Maule in the 1851 census but cannot find him.

Alex was born on 16 December 1803 and died on 29 December 1851 at Dolls Distillery in Clackmannanshire which is many months after the census took place.

He was married to Margaret Hall. Recently I found a death record for a Margaret Hall "daughter" of Alexander Maule. The problem is that Alexander had a daughter Margaret who married his brother Francis and lived until 1882. I think its more likely that the Margaret Hall named was his wife. If this is the right record she died on 22 January 1850 in Clackmannan. Potentially Alex remarried on 5 May 1851 to Elizabeth Simpson in Alloa, Clackmannanshire but this is a speculative link. What adds some weight to it is that Alexs brother Francis married Alexs daughter on the same day in the same church.

Alex and Margaret had the following children:
Annie 1826-1908
Janet 1828-?
Margaret 1830-1882
John 1832-1834
Francis 1834-1878
John 1836-1930
Alexander 1837-1838
Robert 1842-1862
Alexander 1844-1929
And potentially another Alexander who died in 1841

I can find any children to Alex and Elizabeth.

Any help finding Alex and Margaret in the 1851 census would be appreciated
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White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: 1851 Census for Alexander Maule
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 31 August 17 06:32 BST (UK) »
You don't say if you have them in the 1841 Census - they are on Freecen
- in Clackmannan Town.

Alexander MAULE aged 36, agricultural labourer, born outside Census County.
Margaret aged 35 born Clackmannanshire.
Margaret aged 10 born  ""     ""
Francis aged 7 born   """      ""
John aged 5 born    """      ""

No sign of them in the 1851 on FreeCen (they may not have transcribed that county yet).
Also no sign of them on familysearch for the 1851.
As you also cannot find them on Ancestry or findmypast my guess is they aren't in the 1851.
Could be any number of reasons - just got missed off; the name is very hard to read and has been transcribed wrongly, (though I did look for all the children called just 'Francis' born between 1834 and 1838 born Clackmannanshire in the whole of Scotland but to no avail). I also tried looking for some of the children using the HAll surname - again nothing obvious. Also that part of the 1851 Census may be missing for that area - I'm sure that can be checked somewhere.
As you say he died in Clackmannanshire it would seem they had not moved out of the area. It is very odd I agree. 
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Re: 1851 Census for Alexander Maule
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 31 August 17 07:05 BST (UK) »
Hi goldie61

Thank you for looking. I did have the 1841 census but neglected to mention it.

I found this but it doesn't seem to cover Clackmannanshire.

The following is a list of parishes (with their parish numbers and counties) that are known to be missing (either because there is no data for them, or because the original records are missing):

Parish Number Parish Name County
•93 Inverallan Inverness
•152 Enzie Banff
•167 Seafield Banff
•509 Cumlodden Argyll
•559 Abbey (Paisley) Renfrew
•862 Corsock Bridge Kirkcudbright

In 1851 Margaret Maule (Alexanders daughter) was living with her future husband. They married 6 weeks later. I cant find Francis or John. Johns arrival in the USA is 1852/1853 but I have not found the exact record. I cant find Robert but he died in the USA as well around 1862. Alexander Jr married Helen McLaren in Stirling in 1864 but I cant find him in 1851.
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: 1851 Census for Alexander Maule
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 31 August 17 09:31 BST (UK) »
Could this be Dollar Distillery?

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Re: 1851 Census for Alexander Maule
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 31 August 17 09:36 BST (UK) »
It went through a few different name changes over the last 200+ years. On Alex death cert it says Dolls. I think its in Menstrie.

http://lostdistillery.com/02lowlands-north-west/glenochil.html

The nespaper clipping of his death doesnt mention either womans name

Alloa Advertiser Saturday December 27, 1851 page 4

"Deplorable Accident On Thursday last a very distressing casualty occurred at Glenochil Distillery. One of the workman Alexander Maule went into the steam room full of steam and was dreadfully scalded. The poor man was got out and lived in agony until 10pm in the evening when death terminated his suffering".
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: 1851 Census for Alexander Maule
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 31 August 17 15:52 BST (UK) »
Sounds a horrible way to die. Poor man  :-\

Did his brother Francis also have children called Robert and Alexander. Just wondering whether the Robert and Alexander who show with Francis and Margaret in 1851 were in fact her brothers?

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Re: 1851 Census for Alexander Maule
« Reply #6 on: Friday 01 September 17 06:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica

Francis has a wife before he married Margaret named Janet Cochrane. I have their marriage.

Known children with Janet (I have the baptisms):

Mary 1838-1889
John 1840-1875
Jane 1842-1877
Janet 1845-1930
James 1848-1885

Speculative (I cant find baptisms):

Alexander
Robert

Known children with Margaret:

Alexander 1853-1855
Margaret 1855-1902
Anne 1858-1925
Georgina 1860-1950
Alexander 1862-1863
Hughena 1865-1945
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: 1851 Census for Alexander Maule
« Reply #7 on: Friday 01 September 17 11:13 BST (UK) »
There are two census entries that puzzle me in 1851:

Francis Maule 34 spirit dealer b. Clackmannan
Mary Maule 12 b. Alva, Stirlingshire
John Maule 10 b. Alva, Stirlingshire
Janet Maule 4 b. Alva, Stirlingshire
Eliza Maule 24 niece b. Tillicoultry

Address: Toll Road, Alva, Stirlingshire

These children seem to fit well (with some missing like James) with the ones you mentioned for Francis and wife Janet Cochrane.


Mary 1838-1889
John 1840-1875
Jane 1842-1877
Janet 1845-1930
James 1848-1885


Then there is this further census entry also in 1851:

Francis Maule 47 labourer b. Kincardine, Perthshire
Margt Maule 20 wife b. Clackmannan
Robert Maule 7 son b. P of Logie Dams
Alexander Maule 5 son b. P of Logie
Janet Maule 3 daughter b. P of Logie

Address: Dams, Logie, Clackmannanshire

Monica
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Re: 1851 Census for Alexander Maule
« Reply #8 on: Friday 01 September 17 11:30 BST (UK) »
Margaret and Francis left for Australia by 1855 after birth of a son Alexander in 1853? If so, have you confirmed their parents' details from their death certs there?

There is this shipping entry for a Maule family originally from Stirlingshire arriving in Portland Victoria on 19 Feb 1855:

Francis Maule 35 agr. lab.
Margaret Maule 25
John Maule 13
Jane Maule 11
Janet Maule 8

Monica
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