1851 Census for Alexander Maule

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Hi Monica

The headstone itself shows Charlotte Rankine d 1890 wife of Robert Maule d 1901 on the same headstone.

On ancestry there is a myriad of conflicting info. One person has Robert Maule who married Catherine Meiklejohn death as 9 Feb 1859 • Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. He is listed as the son of John Maule and Catherine Miller.

I had John Maule 1810-1885 in the 1851,61,71 census but not the 1841 or 1881 census but have his death certificate.

As for Anne/Annie Ive looked at her before and for a reason I didnt note why I discounted her.

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=179354568

It may have been this that confused the issue when it was probably her sons daughter - https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Black&GSiman=1&GScid=2477429&GRid=179398666&
Theres loads of children and great grandchildren with the middle name Maule

The South African archives has quite a few Maules on file but Ive got no idea how to get the actual documents

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PART      1                                                                     
DESCRIPTION          BLACK, ANN. (NEE MAULE). DEATH NOTICE.                               
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[MonicaL]

I had John Maule 1810-1885 in the 1851,61,71 census but not the 1841 or 1881 census but have his death certificate.

A possible 1841 entry for the family (as transcribed on a/try):

John Maue 30 Ag Labourer
Catherine Maue 30
John Maue 12
Janet Maue 9
Catherine Maue 6
Thomas Maue 3

Address: Devon Village,  Clackmannan

And another mangled version of the surname for 1881:

John Manh 70 Labourer b. Perthshire, Kincardine On Forth
Catherine Manh 71 b. Fife, Saline

Address: St Mary St, Falkirk Landward

Monica

[MonicaL]

These look to be some details on Ann, daughter of John and Janet (Sibbet):

Last Name:   Black
First Name:    John Richard
Date of Birth:   1803
Place of Birth:   South Leith
Parents – Father:   Alexander Black
Parents – Mother:   Elizabeth
Name of Spouse:   widower of Ann Maule, b. 13 Jul 1805 chr. 24 Aug 1805 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland, to John Maule and Janet Sibbet; she d. 13 May 1875 Simonstown, Cape
Marriage Date:
Marriage Place:
Date of Death:   7 Nov 1883 age 80
Place of Death:  Simonstown, Cape   

I wonder if this is the parish marriage entry? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY91-H2W  A big doubt this is the right Ann (connected to the John and Janet (Sibbet) line) given father on Parish register for this marriage shows as Thomas  A number of children are showing for them in the Edinburgh area up to 1850...and then nothing. Likely when this family may have headed off to SA.

Monica

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Hi Monica

I would never have even though of those variants for Maule. Thank you.

One of the people on ancestry with Annie Maule and John Richard Black uses the birth date of Annie born to John and Janet Maule. They have Annie father as Thomas based on the marriage you found. They have children born 1827-1850 in Scotland (1827), Manchester (1829) and the rest of the ones they have found in Simons Town, South Africa. Looking at some of the birth, census records myself some of these are very incorrect.

The Annie Black memorial has some very precise details on it - "Wife of John Richard Black. Died in Simon's Town aged 69 years and 10 months". This gives the same 13 July 1805 birth date as the John and Janet Maule child birth date.

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I thought I would attached the marriage of the Ann Maule to John Black you mentioned previously. I noticed that on the left hand side of the register there was mention of John Maule but I cant work out why

Any thoughts?

[MonicaL]

I can't work it out either and why it would have been added some 15 years after the marriage entry in 1825 

Monica

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Ive sent off a query to Scotlands People to see if they can explain it.

[MonicaL]

Do we have an occupation for John Maule, husband of Janet Sibbett?

I had seen mention of a John Maule from Tulliallan who was a tailor by trade here www.rootschat.com/links/01kpd/

Wondering if a correction was noted on 1 Dec 1840 on the correct name of Ann Maule's father, from a Thomas to John?

Monica

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Hi Monica

I've not found any family member who has found out what happened to John Maule Sr nor his wife. The death certificate of one of his sons John Jr says John Maule Sr was a Taylor.

Id not seen the book you have linked to. Very interesting! If that's the same person we now know he was alive in 1814

I wonder if the Robert Maules in the same book are John Maule Sr grandson and great grandson

I'm hoping that Scotland's People will also state that Annies father name was corrected. Im hoping they aren't going to say its their date of departure for South Africa as informed by John Maule

I've also bought two of John Black and Anne Maule childrens birth certificates. Like their other countrymen and women the Simons Town births were also registered in Scotland. John Black was a carpenter.

The children of John Black and Ann Maule I've found on scotlandspeople are (some of the children have birth sequence numbers):

Alexander b 1827 (child 1)
Elizabeth 1829 (child 2)
?
Juliana Margaret b 1842 (child 4)
John Richard b 1843
Alice Anna b 1845
James Fergus 1850 (child 7)